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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by iceman1 » 22 Feb 2008, 12:48

in 2006 They(williams) were way too unreliable, and in 2007 they were practically fighting with 1 driver still too mistake prone.they have a quite fast car this year

Here you can follow today's Ferrari test: http://www.sportlifepress.com/1/

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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

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Trulli: Ferrari and McLaren a step ahead
[u][url=http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080222092741.shtml]http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080222092741.shtml[/url][/u] wrote: Ferrari not so superior according to Symonds

Pat Symonds agrees that Ferrari is leading the Formula One field at present, but the Renault technical boss does not think the Italian team is so far ahead.

Some figures have expressed the view that Ferrari's F2008 looks set to dominate the new season, but Symonds thinks the car's record-breaking test at Bahrain recently should not be overestimated.

"We are in the group that is behind Ferrari," the Briton confirmed to the Spanish newspaper Diario AS.

"It seems as though they are ahead of everyone else, but I don't think they are as superior as they seemed to be in Bahrain.

"Until you can make a direct comparison with your rivals, you can never have a clear idea," Symonds said, exactly three weeks before opening practice for the Australian Grand Prix.

After three days in Barcelona this week, he thinks the gap between McLaren, BMW Sauber, and Enstone based Renault is 'quite small', with Red Bull and Williams also not far away.
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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

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[u][url=http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/65274]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/65274[/url][/u] wrote: Ferrari complete Barcelona test

The Ferrari team completed their final day of testing in Barcelona, where today they had exclusive use of the Spanish track.

Felipe Massa and test driver Luca Badoer were the men in charge of testing duties, carrying out a simulation of a full Grand Prix weekend, including practice, qualifying, race and the relevant trackside procedures.

Massa completed the programme successfully, but Badoer had stop while in the final stint of the race because of an oil leak.

The Brazilian covered 95 laps with a best time of 1:20.508, while Badoer completed 75, posting a best time of 1:21.808.
[u][url=http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080222150938.shtml]http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080222150938.shtml[/url][/u] wrote: Schumacher to test alongside Raikkonen

Michael Schumacher will make his debut at the wheel of Ferrari's 2008 contender at the final group test of the pre-season in Spain next week.

We have learned that the 39-year-old German, who retired from competition at the end of 2006, is scheduled to run in the F2008 on Monday, as reigning world champion Kimi Raikkonen also tests the Melbourne-spec F2008 at Barcelona.

It will be the first time that the two famous drivers have gone 'head-to-head' in the same car at the same circuit, and the occasion is therefore certain to draw much attention in the racing world.
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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

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AzShadow wrote:Williams had a strong start in 2006 too, but they couldn't make use of their opportunity due to reliability issues. Let's see what happens this time.
On 2006, Williams had the advantage of having a Cosworth engine with all their V8 experience. They started the season well, but then couldn't keep up the pace. Last year, they had a Toyota engine which was improved and so did the team
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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

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[u][url=http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080222150938.shtml]http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080222150938.shtml[/url][/u] wrote: Schumacher to test alongside Raikkonen

Michael Schumacher will make his debut at the wheel of Ferrari's 2008 contender at the final group test of the pre-season in Spain next week.

We have learned that the 39-year-old German, who retired from competition at the end of 2006, is scheduled to run in the F2008 on Monday, as reigning world champion Kimi Raikkonen also tests the Melbourne-spec F2008 at Barcelona.

It will be the first time that the two famous drivers have gone 'head-to-head' in the same car at the same circuit, and the occasion is therefore certain to draw much attention in the racing world.
Schumacher vs Raikkonen. That would be great but I couldn't understand why Ferrari wouldn't let their 2008 line up do the final test before Melbourne. Couldn't Massa provide adequate feedback yet? Is Schumacher still needed for Ferrari in order to get a reliable driver info? I can't understand this, except it is not a PR activity.

edit: I remember Schumacher saying that he will never test F2008, which is the responsibility of 2008 line up. What has changed?
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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by domenico » 22 Feb 2008, 22:58

Michael is only doing one day and remember he is the greatest development driver out there.

I look at it like when you try and do something and you try over and over again but cant do it. You leave it for a while and come back and then you end up doing it first time.

I see the same value in Michael, he tested a number of months ago and advised the best path forward, now he will step in the car and see just how different it is and where improvements can still be made.

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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by iceman1 » 23 Feb 2008, 03:32

Ferrari's testschedule:

Monday 25th February Barcelona
Schumacher & Raikkonen

Tuesday 26th Februari Barcelona
Raikkonen & Massa

Wednesday 27th Februari Barcelona
Raikkonen & Massa

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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by Zack » 23 Feb 2008, 19:05

xyneid wrote: edit: I remember Schumacher saying that he will never test F2008, which is the responsibility of 2008 line up. What has changed?
irrc ..he never said like that(or link plz) ...off course he said f2008 testing first priority will given to Race drivers.

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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by Ali » 23 Feb 2008, 19:33

zack wrote:
xyneid wrote: edit: I remember Schumacher saying that he will never test F2008, which is the responsibility of 2008 line up. What has changed?
irrc ..he never said like that(or link plz) ...off course he said f2008 testing first priority will given to Race drivers.

Please don't make conclusion from this test outcomes :lol:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64322 wrote:Q: Will you test the new car?

Schumacher: "It was not planned to do this test. It was just Barcelona originally, but here I am. There are no plans for next year. Although as soon as the new car is ready it has to be the (race) drivers doing the test, unless there is a particular reason to test certain things."
http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?id=3163068 wrote:At the moment there are no plans for Schumacher to test the 2008 Ferrari when it comes out. And he will not test during the 2008 season. Restrictions on testing mean that Raikkonen and Massa will be doing the bulk of the important testing work.
and I've read what I said from a site saying nearly the same thing in the second quote. But still I couldn't find where exatcly I've read or heard of it. Anyway, it could be a overrated comment on a site.

I think it's clear that there is a "particular" reason for the team and Michael to test F2008 as Schumacher said. Maybe it's because of some reliability issues. Yes, if they think they can gain any benefit of Michael's test sessions, then why not? At the end, it can turn out to be a big advantage.
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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

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As it can be read from those quotes, they hadn't planned this but didn't rule it out either. Plans can change and if Schumacher can help them then they should use his help. I pretty much doubt that they'd use him for PR trick or anything.
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Post by Ali » 23 Feb 2008, 22:22

AzShadow wrote:As it can be read from those quotes, they hadn't planned this but didn't rule it out either. Plans can change and if Schumacher can help them then they should use his help. I pretty much doubt that they'd use him for PR trick or anything.
Yes but I really remember that I read something like this. Anyway, it now seems to me that it can be useful for Ferrari.

PR is always on the agenda of any team. Formula 1 is a money-thing, not just a fun-and-games. They would use Schumacher or anyone for PR or advertisement, like before they did. Why do you doubt?
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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by AzShadow » 24 Feb 2008, 07:20

I just don't think that a top team like Ferrari would waste valuable testing mileage just for showing off with Schumacher, especially at this point when the last early season tests are underway. That's why I think that Schumacher is really useful for them somehow.
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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by maltafan » 24 Feb 2008, 17:33

I agree with you AZ. Testing is expensive and limited. The fact that they asked Schumi to do some testing means that they need his experience in setting up the car.
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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by iceman1 » 25 Feb 2008, 12:43

1. S. Vettel Toro Rosso STR2 1:25.651 38 pit
2. F. Alonso Renault R28 1:26.414 +0.763 32 pit
3. M. Schumacher Ferrari F2008 1:27.467 +1.816 32 pit
4. H. Kovalainen McLaren MP4-23 1:30.220 +4.569 22 pit
5. K. Räikkönen Ferrari F2008 1:30.681 +5.030 27 pit
6. N. Rosberg Williams FW30 1:31.285 +5.634 27 pit
7. L. Hamilton McLaren MP4-23 1:31.936 +6.285 28 pit
8. N. Heidfeld BMW Sauber F1.08 1:32.030 +6.379 9 pit
9. T. Glock Toyota TF108 1:32.618 +6.967 31 pit
10. D. Coulthard Red Bull Racing RB4 1:32.675 +7.024 20 pit
11. R. Barrichello Honda RA108 1:33.015 +7.364 30 pit
12. K. Nakajima Williams FW30 1:33.271 +7.620 15 pit
13. A. Wurz Honda RA108 1:33.317 +7.666 20 pit
14. N. Piquet Jr. Renault R28 1:33.737 +8.086 22 pit
15. A. Sutil Force India VJM-01 1:33.956 +8.305 17 pit
16. M. Webber Red Bull Racing RB4 1:34.288 +8.637 14 pit
17. V. Liuzzi Force India VJM-01 1:37.148 +11.497 11 pit

Nelson Piquet Jnr has crashed. Red Flag
Renault is going to introduce their finale package the coming days, with a lot of parts designed to the wishes of Alonso

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Re: 2008 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by AzShadow » 25 Feb 2008, 17:06

Today's times (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/65307):

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:22.276 78
2. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:22.319 82
3. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:22.428 83
4. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:22.724 54
5. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:22.852 71
6. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:22.974 108
7. Alonso Renault (B) 1:23.021 79
8. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:23.075 75
9. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:23.091 62
10. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:23.115 71
11. Sutil Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:23.188 95
12. Klien BMW-Sauber (B) 1:23.239 43
13. Liuzzi Force India (B) 1:23.270 70
14. Piquet Renault (B) 1:23.442 42
15. Glock Toyota (B) 1:23.609 86
16. Kobayashi Toyota (B) 1:23.880 29
17. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:24.460 115
18. Wurz Honda (B) 1:24.667 109
19. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:24.826 25

Ferrari cautious despite testing form

The season won't definitely be easy for Ferrari as many have been thinking lately.
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