It started in 2008 really when they sucked at building CFD. Thats why after the terrible F2009, they rebuilt the wind tunnel. Only to suck just as much. Then they rebuilding it again after 'correlation issuez solvedz' which just turned out to be rubbish.F1EA wrote:Wow, that sounds a bit like something i wrote yesterday somewhere else:reppo wrote:Sniffpetrol gets it right. Where is Ferrari heading to. Hey Domenicali, make the f**k**g car a winner and there will be nothing debatable left. Sure, put four wheels to a bath tub and Fernando will do the rest. But really, he can't turn water into wine even if he is the best of current drivers. When will Ferrari engineers start to really listen the feedback from drivers
Domenicalli is no technical guy. He's a manager, a does a good job at the management/politics stuff. Ferrari definitely improved since Pat Fry came along. BUT what they need is a big big push in car design. I mean, being perfect means squat when your car qualifies 7 and has trouble making Q3.
In that sense, Vettel has a huge buffer when it comes to mistakes and team errors. From dead last to points positions in a few laps...... doesn't take a genius to know as long as the RB didnt break down, there was no way of getting them. Not even by being 'perfect'. And Ferrari should know, because this is what they did when Schumacher was unbeatable.
Do people seriously think Vettel is that great to come back from dead last, manage a botched pit stop, several mistakes by the team or his, in other races, and still win it? Get real. If he was, he would have won the wdc in his Toro Rosso and not just a race under "alternative" conditions in a peculiar track.
Of course, he is very good, and now you can add talk about his will to win, his strenght of mind an the strenght of the team to work under pressure... and all that c**p. While Alonso can go and tweet his life away with Samurai quotes. All that gets cushioned (and in Alonso's case crushed) by a superior car.
Bottom line: Ferrari (and anyother team) don't need to be perfect or have "the best driver"; they need the best car.
3 yrs with a wind tunnel problem?? WTF?! That's unacceptable; and unless Domenicalli starts taking no excuses... they will not win.
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Its weird. Ferrari started the year 1.5 off pole. By the end of the year they were still 4-8 tenths off in quali. In the race they had great pace, but they were never faster than Mclaren or Redbull. The cars updates basically stopped in June; everything else either made the car worse or gave zilch in improvement.
Theyve been using the Toyota tunnel for a while too; Ferrari invested heavily in their on track testing, real life simulations. Their schumacher dominance has now become theyre post 2005 hinderance because their failure to invest in CFD from an early date, like other teams were using (especially renault) has cost them year after year. If you think, no disrespect to Kimi; 2007 was their last championship. But they did truly only win because Mclaren do what they do best; f*** up, not manage drivers right and make mistakes. it would be 78 years between Ferrari's 2004 championship and nothing in 2012. Mclaren are even worse; 1 championship in what, 13 years now? Ferrari's problem is the car, Mclarens problem is the team/unreliability. 2012 stunk even worse than 2005, and It wasn't Newey this time. 2010 was lewis' fault but 2007, 2012, 2009 were mclarens.
Question is, who is going to beat Redbull? Like you said, it hardly took vettel any time to get into the top 8. Yeah he had 5 cars backing him up and giving him places, and its still hilarious that under the safety, Vergne crossed the line an astonishing 19.2 seconds behind vettel
Kovalainens times in the race were quite impressive too.