2011 German Grand Prix

2011 Formula One Season.

Who will win the German Grand Prix?

Poll ended at 24 Jul 2011, 09:49

Sebastian Vettel
8
25%
Mark Webber
3
9%
Jenson Button
1
3%
Lewis Hamilton
8
25%
Fernando Alonso
6
19%
Felipe Massa
2
6%
Michael Schumacher
3
9%
Nico Rosberg
0
No votes
Other
1
3%
 
Total votes: 32

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Re: 2011 German Grand Prix

Post by Ali » 27 Jul 2011, 10:58

dacer wrote:
Ali wrote: Have you ever heard of wheel-to-wheel racing?
Yes, Buemi + Heidfield is a valid example?
It's below the belt. You skew the truth. That's not what I meant. Buemi made a mistake and left Heidfeld option not to but crash. What was between Lewis and Massa, and Lewis and Webber was pure wheel-to-wheel racing. You cannot take "wheel-to-wheel" racing term literally. That means close racing, which all we want to see. They were very entertaining and fair fights. No one needs to be warned about that. That would be the very defition of unfairness.
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Re: 2011 German Grand Prix

Post by dacer » 27 Jul 2011, 11:05

Is nice race wheel to wheel, but this way of drive, used to be near to crashed. And the other driver only have the option to go out track, then is not "wheel to wheel", is more "push another out or crash".

Must be punished?. Not if only happen sometime, but if in every race you have a "push another out or crash", then someone must warning this driver.

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Re: 2011 German Grand Prix

Post by cformula1 » 27 Jul 2011, 12:03

While drivers being pushed off track is not desirable, it is an inevitable consequence of close racing and makes the racing interesting to watch. Hamilton and Webber was wheel to wheel racing, and while, yes, Massa did go off track in his battle with Hamilton, it made it very interesting and exciting for the fans and Massa did not lose too much time.

And besides, close and exciting racing is what we want to encourage, if we keep giving out warnings then we'll get tedious follow-the-leader processions as no-one dares overtake for fear of a penalty.
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Post by dacer » 27 Jul 2011, 12:19

but massa loose a position (britain gp), and this is a lot of. Wheel to wheel is nice, but it's different "race incident", that push another out and let choose him crash or go out. If happen only sometimes, ok, in races you are near limits and sometimes you cross. But if "you used to" do it, then is different. Is like other pilots other years as Ralf, or Koba, they used to crash a lot of

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Post by François » 27 Jul 2011, 12:24

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Re: 2011 German Grand Prix

Post by dacer » 27 Jul 2011, 12:30

not, was funny see heidfeld take off!!. There was a long time without seen a Renault fly. Thanks Buemi!!

Was funny!!!

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Re: 2011 German Grand Prix

Post by SpliT » 27 Jul 2011, 13:52

Overtaking statistics:
Spoiler:
P. Lap. Driver on Driver Position
1. 2 Michael Schumacher Vitaly Petrov 8
2. 2 Nick Heidfeld Karun Chandhok 22
3. 2 Nick Heidfeld Daniel Ricciardo 21
4. 2 Paul di Resta Karun Chandhok 23
5. 2 Paul di Resta Daniel Ricciardo 22
6. 3 Kamui Kobayashi Rubens Barrichello 11
7. 3 Sebastien Buemi Timo Glock 17
8. 3 Nick Heidfeld Jerome d'Ambrosio 20
9. 3 Paul di Resta Jerome d'Ambrosio 21
10. 4 Nick Heidfeld Vitantonio Liuzzi 19
11. 4 Nick Heidfeld Timo Glock 18
12. 4 Paul di Resta Vitantonio Liuzzi 20
13. 5 Sebastien Buemi Heikki Kovalainen 16
14. 5 Paul di Resta Timo Glock 19
15. 6 Nick Heidfeld Heikki Kovalainen 17
16. 8 Fernando Alonso Sebastian Vettel 1
17. 8 Paul di Resta Heikki Kovalainen 18
18. 12 Mark Webber Lewis Hamilton 1
19. 12 Felipe Massa Nico Rosberg 5
20. 12 Sergio Perez Daniel Ricciardo 20
21. 12 Sergio Perez Jerome d'Ambrosio 19
22. 12 Daniel Ricciardo Jerome d'Ambrosio 20
23. 13 Lewis Hamilton Mark Webber 1
24. 13 Sergio Perez Vitantonio Liuzzi 18
25. 14 Sergio Perez Timo Glock 17
26. 14 Sebastien Buemi Jerome d'Ambrosio 21
27. 15 Mark Webber Adrian Sutil 5
28. 16 Felipe Massa Sebastian Vettel 3
29. 16 Nico Rosberg Jaime Alguersuari 11
30. 16 Sebastien Buemi Daniel Ricciardo 20
31. 17 Jenson Button Vitaly Petrov 6
32. 17 Michael Schumacher Jaime Alguersuari 11
33. 17 Sebastien Buemi Vitantonio Liuzzi 18
34. 18 Sergio Perez Heikki Kovalainen 15
35. 18 Sebastien Buemi Timo Glock 17
36. 20 Felipe Massa Kamui Kobayashi 7
37. 20 Sebastian Vettel Kamui Kobayashi 8
38. 21 Felipe Massa Vitaly Petrov 6
39. 22 Sebastian Vettel Vitaly Petrov 7
40. 22 Nico Rosberg Vitaly Petrov 8
41. 22 Michael Schumacher Vitaly Petrov 9
42. 23 Kamui Kobayashi Pastor Maldonado 13
43. 25 Paul di Resta Heikki Kovalainen 15
44. 32 Jenson Button Adrian Sutil 7
45. 33 Lewis Hamilton Fernando Alonso 1
46. 35 Jenson Button Nico Rosberg 6
47. 35 Vitaly Petrov Sergio Perez 12
48. 37 Kamui Kobayashi Nico Rosberg 7
49. 40 Nico Rosberg Kamui Kobayashi 7
50. 41 Michael Schumacher Jaime Alguersuari 11
51. 41 Jerome d'Ambrosio Daniel Ricciardo 18
52. 46 Michael Schumacher Vitaly Petrov 9



P. Driver Overtaking
1. Paul di Resta 7
2. Sebastien Buemi 6
3. Nick Heidfeld 6
4. Michael Schumacher 5
5. Sergio Perez 5
6. Felipe Massa 4
7. Nico Rosberg 3
8. Kamui Kobayashi 3
9. Jenson Button 3
10. Lewis Hamilton 2
11. Mark Webber 2
12. Sebastian Vettel 2
13. Fernando Alonso 1
14. Vitaly Petrov 1
15. Jerome d'Ambrosio 1
16. Daniel Ricciardo 1

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Re: 2011 German Grand Prix

Post by dacer » 27 Jul 2011, 15:36

SpliTF1 wrote: 31. 17 Jenson Button Vitaly Petrov 6
Is there any video of this overtake?. Was a nice fight, but I can not see, and was looking for.

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Re: 2011 German Grand Prix

Post by JoostLamers » 27 Jul 2011, 21:12

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Re: 2011 German Grand Prix

Post by iceman1 » 27 Jul 2011, 21:43

dacer wrote:
SpliTF1 wrote: 31. 17 Jenson Button Vitaly Petrov 6
Is there any video of this overtake?. Was a nice fight, but I can not see, and was looking for.

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Check the onboard highlights of the race.

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Re: 2011 German Grand Prix

Post by dacer » 28 Jul 2011, 07:45

iceman1 wrote:
dacer wrote:
SpliTF1 wrote: 31. 17 Jenson Button Vitaly Petrov 6
Is there any video of this overtake?. Was a nice fight, but I can not see, and was looking for.

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Check the onboard highlights of the race.
Sure it's there? I can see button vs Petrov fight but not overtake, and Button overtaking Rosberg, But don't find button overtaking Petrov.

Thanks anyway

Edited:
this overtake it at same time than MAS+WEB+HAM+ALO group

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