Grand Prix du Canada 2011

2011 Formula One Season.

Who will win the Canadian Grand Prix?

Sebastian Vettel
5
13%
Lewis Hamilton
11
28%
Mark Webber
1
3%
Jenson Button
8
20%
Fernando Alonso
10
25%
Nick Heidfeld
1
3%
Nico Rosberg
0
No votes
Felipe Massa
1
3%
Vitaly Petrov
1
3%
Kamui Kobayashi
2
5%
Other
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 40

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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by Vorull » 14 Jun 2011, 18:32

JoostLamers wrote:What about Heidfeld's parking?

Will you look at that! Lovely!
Those Renaults like to get airborne, but don't know how to land :zz:

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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by f1heronomus » 14 Jun 2011, 19:06

The former F1 pilot Mika Salo wasn't surprised to see Sebastian Vettel succumb to Jenson Button on the last lap of the Canadian GP!!!: http://bit.ly/jgiQZR Well hard to say, maybe we can see that Valencia?

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Post by phil1993 » 14 Jun 2011, 19:09

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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by skywatcher » 14 Jun 2011, 19:52

Wow! Just finished the race delivered from Iceman! Incredible, what a finale after all that rain and wait. JB won what a drive, the best of his career IMHO, from 10 car lengths behind last to 1st and twice as many pit runs as anyone else? AMAZING!!! What a show, so excited....

Would've been nice to see MS on the podium, but Mercedes I think will get there this season, NR or MS? Who can say that will be the luck of the draw for sure.

Thanks Iceman for allowing us with no other way to see F1 a way to watch the greatest sport on earth!!!

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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by sdutt » 15 Jun 2011, 15:24

François wrote: Vettel wasn't too shabby either. I reckon he would've earned tremendous praise for keeping his head throughout the afternoon had he not made that ill-timed error. In hindsight, he was a bit too conservative at certain key points and thus found himself in a position to be pushed into making a mistake. That's still 5 wins and 2 second places from 7 starts, though. And Webber has once again proved consistent, albeit no match for his teammate.

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i agree. the main problem was his last stint, he was too slow going in the 1:19s with Button in 1:17s, then suddenly when Button is about 1.5secs behind he starts rolling out 1:17s which was too late
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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by Eric_Cartman » 15 Jun 2011, 15:32

you can also see that Vettel nearly lost it 3 - 4 times in the last 2 laps. He was absolutely on the limit because he knew that Button would pass him easily on the straight line if he was just 0.5 seconds or so behind. So DRS was way to effective like in Istanbul, I think that's the only reason, why Vettel made that mistake.

What Mika Salo said is just ridiculous, because Vettel can handle the pressure like he had shown in Monaco or Barcelona...
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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by Vorull » 15 Jun 2011, 15:53

DRS was not as effective as in Instanbul and Vettel made the mistake under pressure from Button. Even if there wasn't DRS he would have to push and risk making a mistake.

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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by Eric_Cartman » 15 Jun 2011, 15:54

A smart tactical move would have been made by Vettel if he had allowed Button to pass him right before the DRS-Detection point on the last lap. It would have been easy for Vettel to repass Button on the straight. :zz:
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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by iceman1 » 15 Jun 2011, 15:57

Mclaren using a Flexible front Wing :lol: :lol:

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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by Eric_Cartman » 15 Jun 2011, 16:12

Vorull wrote:DRS was not as effective as in Instanbul and Vettel made the mistake under pressure from Button. Even if there wasn't DRS he would have to push and risk making a mistake.
But if there was no DRS Vettel would know that he finishes 1st if he doesn't make a mistake. In Canada he knew that he had to build a gap of about 8 or 9 tenths to have a chance on the straight.
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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by phil1993 » 15 Jun 2011, 16:21

You can't pinpoint Vettel's mistake down to DRS.

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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by Mitsuro Sano » 15 Jun 2011, 17:26

Eric_Cartman wrote:A smart tactical move would have been made by Vettel if he had allowed Button to pass him right before the DRS-Detection point on the last lap. It would have been easy for Vettel to repass Button on the straight. :zz:
That's what everyone feared I believe before the beginning of the season.

Vettel lost the race because of the huge pressure by Button. But DRS had play a great role for Button on the last two laps. Button made one of the greatest drive I have ever seen in recent years, but DRS helped him to gain 3 - 4 tenth to Vettel only in the Casino straight in the last two laps.

DRS in Canada was a bit too much, just look at Webber on Schumacher. Nearly all the pass, when DRS was enabled, was thanks to the DRS. But I fear now that DRS ( and maybe KERS ) is the only way to pass bar the Pirelli tyres. As the braking distance is too short, drivers can't pass underbraking anymore, except in the low drag circuit or circuit with very low grip.

One question : could Hamilton continue with his damaged car if McLaren didn't told him to retire or the damage was terminal?

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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by phil1993 » 15 Jun 2011, 17:31

The car was too damaged.

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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by JoostLamers » 16 Jun 2011, 08:46

Eric_Cartman wrote:
Vorull wrote:DRS was not as effective as in Instanbul and Vettel made the mistake under pressure from Button. Even if there wasn't DRS he would have to push and risk making a mistake.
But if there was no DRS Vettel would know that he finishes 1st if he doesn't make a mistake. In Canada he knew that he had to build a gap of about 8 or 9 tenths to have a chance on the straight.
DRS is for everyone the same. One time it's in your advantage, one time it isn't.
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Re: Grand Prix du Canada 2011

Post by SpliT » 16 Jun 2011, 10:28

Overtaking statistics:
Spoiler:
P. Lap. Driver on Driver Position
1. 5 Michael Schumacher Jenson Button 5
2. 5 Lewis Hamilton Jenson Button 6
3. 5 Paul di Resta Vitaly Petrov 9
4. 5 Paul di Resta Nick Heidfeld 8
5. 5 Kamui Kobayashi Pastor Maldonado 11
6. 5 Kamui Kobayashi Vitaly Petrov 10
7. 5 Timo Glock Vitantonio Liuzzi 20
8. 5 Jaime Alguersuari Jerome d'Ambrosio 23
9. 5 Jaime Alguersuari Narain Karthikeyan 22
10. 6 Kamui Kobayashi Nick Heidfeld 8
11. 6 Pastor Maldonado Vitaly Petrov 10
12. 6 Mark Webber Adrian Sutil 13
13. 6 Rubens Barrichello Sebastien Buemi 15
14. 7 Vitaly Petrov Pastor Maldonado 10
15. 7 Mark Webber Pastor Maldonado 11
16. 7 Jarno Trulli Pedro de la Rosa 17
17. 7 Jaime Alguersuari Vitantonio Liuzzi 21
18. 8 Paul di Resta Pastor Maldonado 10
19. 13 Jenson Button Pastor Maldonado 11
20. 13 Jenson Button Paul di Resta 10
21. 13 Pedro de la Rosa Jarno Trulli 16
22. 13 Jaime Alguersuari Timo Glock 19
23. 13 Vitantonio Liuzzi Jerome d'Ambrosio 22
24. 13 Vitantonio Liuzzi Narain Karthikeyan 21
25. 14 Jenson Button Sebastien Buemi 14
26. 14 Jaime Alguersuari Heikki Kovalainen 18
27. 14 Jaime Alguersuari Jarno Trulli 17
28. 15 Mark Webber Vitaly Petrov 8
29. 15 Jenson Button Rubens Barrichello 13
30. 15 Jenson Button Adrian Sutil 12
31. 15 Jenson Button Pastor Maldonado 11
32. 16 Pedro de la Rosa Sebastien Buemi 14
33. 16 Rubens Barrichello Narain Karthikeyan 21
34. 17 Mark Webber Nick Heidfeld 7
35. 17 Heikki Kovalainen Jarno Trulli 16
36. 17 Rubens Barrichello Vitantonio Liuzzi 19
37. 17 Adrian Sutil Vitantonio Liuzzi 20
38. 18 Fernando Alonso Nick Heidfeld 6
39. 18 Jenson Button Paul di Resta 9
40. 18 Rubens Barrichelo Timo Glock 16
41. 18 Rubens Barrichello Jarno Trulli 15
42. 18 Adrian Sutil Pastor Maldonado 18
43. 18 Adrian Sutil Timo Glock 17
44. 18 Pastor Maldonado Timo Glock 18
45. 18 Sebastien Buemi Vitantonio Liuzzi 20
46. 19 Jenson Button Vitaly Petrov 7
47. 19 Vitaly Petrov Jenson Button 7
48. 19 Sebastien Buemi Timo Glock 19
49. 34 Jenson Button Pedro de la Rosa 9
50. 34 Pastor Maldonado Narain Karthikeyan 19
51. 35 Rubens Barrichello Timo Glock 19
52. 35 Sebastien Buemi Timo Glock 20
53. 36 Michael Schumacher Jerome d'Ambrosio 12
54. 36 Michael Schumacher Jarno Trulli 11
55. 36 Michael Schumacher Narain Karthikeyan 10
56. 36 Adrian Sutil Jerome d'Ambrosio 13
57. 36 Adrian Sutil Jarno Trulli 12
58. 36 Jenson Button Jerome d'Ambrosio 14
59. 36 Jenson Button Jarno Trulli 13
60. 36 Jenson Button Adrian Sutil 12
61. 36 Jenson Button Narain Karthikeyan 11
62. 36 Rubens Barrichello Jaime Alguersuari 16
63. 36 Pastor Maldonado Jaime Alguersuari 17
64. 37 Michael Schumacher Vitaly Petrov 7
65. 40 Pastor Maldonado Rubens Barrichello 11
66. 41 Pastor Maldonado Nico Rosberg 10
67. 41 Rubens Barrichello Nico Rosberg 11
68. 41 Pedro de la Rosa Timo Glock 16
69. 41 Jenson Button Vitantonio Liuzzi 20
70. 42 Michael Schumacher Mark Webber 6
71. 42 Rubens Barrichello Pastor Maldonado 10
72. 42 Pedro de la Rosa Jerome d'Ambrosio 15
73. 42 Jenson Button Narain Karthikeyan 19
74. 42 Jenson Button Jarno Trulli 18
75. 43 Timo Glock Jerome d'Ambrosio 15
76. 43 Jenson Button Jerome d'Ambrosio 16
77. 43 Jenson Button Timo Glock 15
78. 43 Jarno Trulli Jerome d'Ambrosio 17
79. 44 Jenson Button Pedro de la Rosa 14
80. 44 Paul di Resta Vitantonio Liuzzi 20
81. 44 Paul di Resta Narain Karthikeyan 19
82. 45 Michael Schumacher Nick Heidfeld 4
83. 45 Nico Rosberg Pastor Maldonado 10
84. 45 Jenson Button Sebastien Buemi 13
85. 45 Paul di Resta Jerome d'Ambrosio 18
86. 46 Paul di Resta Jarno Trulli 17
87. 46 Vitantonio Liuzzi Narain Karthikeyan 20
88. 47 Paul di Resta Timo Glock 16
89. 48 Nico Rosberg Rubens Barrichello 8
90. 48 Jaime Alguersuari Pastor Maldonado 10
91. 49 Jenson Button Pastor Maldonado 11
92. 49 Jenson Button Jaime Alguersuari 10
93. 50 Narain Karthikeyan Vitantonio Liuzzi 19
94. 51 Michael Schumacher Felipe Massa 3
95. 51 Michael Schumacher Kamui Kobayashi 2
96. 51 Felipe Massa Kamui Kobayashi 3
97. 51 Jarno Trulli Timo Glock 15
98. 52 Paul di Resta Pastor Maldonado 13
99. 52 Paul di Resta Jaime Alguersuari 12
100. 54 Jenson Button Nick Heidfeld 5
101. 54 Jaime Alguersuari Nico Rosberg 9
102. 54 Vitantonio Liuzzi Narain Karthikeyan 19
103. 55 Jenson Button Kamui Kobayashi 4
104. 55 Sebastien Buemi Pedro de la Rosa 13
105. 60 Vitantonio Liuzzi Jerome d'Ambrosio 16
106. 61 Vitaly Petrov Kamui Kobayashi 5
107. 61 Jaime Alguersuari Rubens Barrichello 7
108. 61 Nico Rosberg Rubens Barrichello 8
109. 61 Nico Rosberg Jaime Alguersuari 7
110. 61 Felipe Massa Pastor Maldonado 10
111. 61 Felipe Massa Rubens Barrichello 9
112. 61 Paul di Resta Pedro de la Rosa 13
113. 64 Jenson Button Mark Webber 3
114. 64 Vitantonio Liuzzi Timo Glock 14
115. 64 Narain Karthikeyan Jerome d'Ambrosio 16
116. 65 Jenson Button Michael Schumacher 2
117. 65 Felipe Massa Jaime Alguersuari 8
118. 65 Paul di Resta Sebastien Buemi 11
119. 67 Mark Webber Michael Schumacher 3
120. 67 Felipe Massa Nico Rosberg 7
121. 68 Narain Karthikeyan Timo Glock 15
122. 68 Jerome d'Ambrosio Timo Glock 16
123. 70 Jenson Button Sebastian Vettel 1
124. 70 Felipe Massa Kamui Kobayashi 6



P. Driver Overtaking
1. Jenson Button 27
2. Paul di Resta 12
3. Michael Schumacher 9
4. Jaime Alguersuari 9
5. Rubens Barrichello 8
6. Felipe Massa 6
7. Vitantonio Liuzzi 6
8. Pastor Maldonado 6
9. Mark Webber 5
10. Adrian Sutil 5
11. Sebastien Buemi 4
12. Nico Rosberg 4
13. Pedro de la Rosa 4
14. Vitaly Petrov 3
15. Kamui Kobayashi 3
16. Jarno Trulli 3
17. Narain Karthikeyan 3
18. Timo Glock 2
19. Jerome d'Ambrosio 1
20. Fenando Alonso 1
21. Heikki Kovalainen 1
22. Lewis Hamilton 1

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