Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

2011 Formula One Season.

Who will win the 2011 Spanish Grand Prix?

Sebastian Vettel
15
37%
Lewis Hamilton
6
15%
Mark Webber
10
24%
Jenson Button
0
No votes
Fernando Alonso
7
17%
Felipe Massa
1
2%
Nick Heidfeld
0
No votes
Vitaly Petrov
0
No votes
Nico Rosberg
1
2%
Other
1
2%
 
Total votes: 41

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Re: Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

Post by Soren » 23 May 2011, 08:08

iceman1 wrote:Red Bull’s Marko accuses Ferrari of spying
Helmut Marko suspects Ferrari is using a method to secretly listen in on Red Bull's race strategies during grands prix.

Red Bull's F1 consultant revealed his sensational suspicions on German RTL television after the Spanish grand prix on Sunday.

"We have noticed that Ferrari is doing some kind of espionage," said the Austrian.

Explaining his suspicion, Marko said: "We called Mark (Webber) into the box relatively late, and yet they (Ferrari) managed to get Alonso in as well. They had been able to respond to us."

It is believed Marko's suspicions hardened when Red Bull issued fake commands for its drivers to pit in Barcelona, and Ferrari still moved to respond.

Bild newspaper said Ferrari has not yet commented.
Thats interesting. Marko is pretty outspoken. Perhaps too much sometimes. But you never know. He may be right on this one.

Also, I put together my views in this review of the Spanish GP. Have a look-see if you guys want :)
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Re: Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

Post by phil1993 » 23 May 2011, 08:38

Quick analysis:

Vettel - The kid really is a superstar. Red Bull pitted him and he came out in a stack of traffic and he had a smart head and overtook them efficiently. Managed a KERS problem well and knew Lewis was fast. Made sure he nailed the final corner every lap and position himself well into T1 such that Lewis couldn't take him on the inside, nor could he get the cutback into Turn 4.
Webber - What now? He made a mess of the start and then finished 47 seconds behind Vettel.
Hamilton - Stunning job. No-one, not even McLaren, could have believed he would finish half a second shy of Vettel. McLaren need to just make their pit-stops slightly better, but its a warning shot to Red Bull: the championship is far from over.
Button - After he slipped to 10th, it was a great recovery drive. Two good moves on Webber and Alonso as well. Made a 3 stopper work
Alonso - Amazing start. Not even the diehard Alonso fans could have seen that coming. He was left a gap about an inch wider than the F150 and he put the car there. From there, he ran out of tyres and pace. Finishing a lap down after leading is shocking, although little of that is Alonso's fault. He's driving the wheels off that car.
Massa - Oh dear. Its all too easy to be critical, but we don't know the extent of the gearbox problem and if that was affecting him. Without the benefit of the doubt, it was a shocker for Massa. He had a poor race, but he's had too many of them since the start of 2010 to suggest it was the exception rather than the norm. Half spin was just pathetic sadly.
Schumacher - A good clean race, beat Rosberg too
Rosberg - Would have been disappointed. Pace is there but qualifying needs more work
Heidfeld - A great recovery drive after starting 24th. Seemed to be nowhere early on but then drove out of his skin
Petrov - It all sort of went wrong. Can be seen near the front at the start but slipped out of the top 10
Barrichello & Maldonado - Complete shockers. Maldonado's 9th on the grid turned out to be false hope, whilst Barrichello was nowhere. 15th and 17th is a disaster.
Sutil & di Resta - Not using softs in qualifying was a stab in the dark sort of strategy (hurr) but the pace wasn't quite there. di Resta beat Sutil again though
Kobayashi - Come from nowhere. Got a puncture at the start, was running at the back and then ended up 10th. He knows how to save his tyres
Perez - Great drive. Put a superb move on Massa and points was a just reward after a couple of average drives.
Buemi & Alguersuari - In Nowhere Land really. Buemi ahead of Alguersuari again though.
Kovalainen - A shame he crashed as there was pace in that car. Ran in the top 10 during the stops.
Trulli - Similar to Kovalainen, although he didn't stuff his car into the wall.
Glock & d'Ambrosio - Lapped 3 times. Probably not as bad as predicted
Karthikeyan & Liuzzi - Nothing to say really. Liuzzi battled against Perez for as long as he could, which given the state of the car, was about 3 turns. Maybe not even that. Planned Monaco protest unlikely to succeed.

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Re: Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

Post by Mar » 23 May 2011, 08:48

phil1993 wrote:Quick analysis:
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Webber - What now? He made a mess of the start and then finished 47 seconds behind Vettel.
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Thanks Phil.

According to my lab-technician, Spanish TV was saying yesterday during the race that Red Bull is so unhappy with Webber that they are thinking about taking him out of the car in the near future, during the season. No idea if there’s any truth behind it, I don’t trust laSexta people.

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Post by JoostLamers » 23 May 2011, 09:22

phil1993 wrote:Rosberg - Would have been disappointed. Pace is there but qualifying needs more work
Schumacher said the exact opposite about Mercedes. Qualifying is there but not the race pace...
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Re: Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

Post by sdutt » 23 May 2011, 15:47

i agrre MErc quali poace is quite decent, but their race pace is quite bad. If reno get their quali issues sorted, i think they will be better than Merc
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Re: Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

Post by sleenster » 23 May 2011, 17:39

Mar wrote:
phil1993 wrote:Quick analysis:
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Webber - What now? He made a mess of the start and then finished 47 seconds behind Vettel.
...
Thanks Phil.

According to my lab-technician, Spanish TV was saying yesterday during the race that Red Bull is so unhappy with Webber that they are thinking about taking him out of the car in the near future, during the season. No idea if there’s any truth behind it, I don’t trust laSexta people.
But who could they replace him with? ''hmm''
I think either of the Toro Rosso guys would, at best, be able to do a job equal to Webber

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Re: Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

Post by Eric_Cartman » 23 May 2011, 20:17

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it's fantastic that we have 3 such good drivers in F1. We're going to see great battles between them in the next 100 - 150 races :)
I would like to see them all in the same car. That would be great. :thumbsup:
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Re: Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

Post by JoostLamers » 23 May 2011, 20:53

sleenster wrote:
Mar wrote:
phil1993 wrote:Quick analysis:
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Webber - What now? He made a mess of the start and then finished 47 seconds behind Vettel.
...
Thanks Phil.

According to my lab-technician, Spanish TV was saying yesterday during the race that Red Bull is so unhappy with Webber that they are thinking about taking him out of the car in the near future, during the season. No idea if there’s any truth behind it, I don’t trust laSexta people.
But who could they replace him with? ''hmm''
I think either of the Toro Rosso guys would, at best, be able to do a job equal to Webber
Hamilton? Rosberg? Ricciardo?
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Re: Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

Post by sleenster » 23 May 2011, 21:09

JoostLamers wrote:
sleenster wrote:
Mar wrote:
phil1993 wrote:Quick analysis:
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Webber - What now? He made a mess of the start and then finished 47 seconds behind Vettel.
...
Thanks Phil.

According to my lab-technician, Spanish TV was saying yesterday during the race that Red Bull is so unhappy with Webber that they are thinking about taking him out of the car in the near future, during the season. No idea if there’s any truth behind it, I don’t trust laSexta people.
But who could they replace him with? ''hmm''
I think either of the Toro Rosso guys would, at best, be able to do a job equal to Webber
Hamilton? Rosberg? Ricciardo?
Hmm I'm not sure if I see Hamilton switching teams in the middle of the season...

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Re: Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

Post by JoostLamers » 23 May 2011, 21:19

sleenster wrote:
JoostLamers wrote:
sleenster wrote:
Mar wrote:
phil1993 wrote:Quick analysis:
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Webber - What now? He made a mess of the start and then finished 47 seconds behind Vettel.
...
Thanks Phil.

According to my lab-technician, Spanish TV was saying yesterday during the race that Red Bull is so unhappy with Webber that they are thinking about taking him out of the car in the near future, during the season. No idea if there’s any truth behind it, I don’t trust laSexta people.
But who could they replace him with? ''hmm''
I think either of the Toro Rosso guys would, at best, be able to do a job equal to Webber
Hamilton? Rosberg? Ricciardo?
Hmm I'm not sure if I see Hamilton switching teams in the middle of the season...
Webber won't be replaced mid-season.
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Re: Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

Post by sdutt » 24 May 2011, 15:00

yeah! surely not

and the STR drivers are not even as good as Webber IMO

I dont know why STR have continued keeping them
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Re: Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

Post by SpliT » 25 May 2011, 15:22

Overtaking statistics:
Spoiler:
P. Lap. Driver on Driver Position
1. 2 Rubens Barrichello Vitantonio Liuzzi 19
2. 4 Jenson Button Sebastien Buemi 9
3. 6 Jerome d'Ambrosio Narain Karthikeyan 22
4. 8 Vitantonio Liuzzi Sergio Perez 19
5. 8 Sergio Perez Vitantonio Liuzzi 19
6. 10 Sebastian Vettel Jenson Button 8
7. 10 Sebastian Vettel Felipe Massa 7
8. 10 Pastor Maldonado Rubens Barrichello 17
9. 11 Sebastian Vettel Nico Rosberg 4
10. 11 Jenson Button Felipe Massa 6
11. 11 Mark Webber Felipe Massa 7
12. 11 Pastor Maldonado Adrian Sutil 16
13. 12 Mark Webber Jenson Button 4
14. 12 Michael Schumacher Heikki Kovalainen 8
15. 12 Michael Schumacher Jarno Trulli 7
16. 12 Felipe Massa Nick Heidfeld 12
17. 12 Kamui Kobayashi Narain Karthikeyan 22
18. 13 Vitaly Petrov Heikki Kovalainen 9
19. 13 Vitaly Petrov Jarno Trulli 8
20. 13 Nico Rosberg Heikki Kovalainen 10
21. 13 Felipe Massa Heikki Kovalainen 11
22. 13 Sebastien Buemi Nick Heidfeld 13
23. 13 Kamui Kobayashi Jerome d'Ambrosio 21
24. 13 Kamui Kobayashi Timo Glock 20
25. 14 Nico Rosberg Jarno Trulli 9
26. 14 Felipe Massa Jarno Trulli 10
27. 14 Adrian Sutil Narain Karthikeyan 22
28. 14 Rubens Barrichello Narain Karthikeyan 23
29. 14 Adrian Sutil Jerome d'Ambrosio 21
30. 15 Sebastien Buemi Heikki Kovalainen 12
31. 15 Kamui Kobayashi Vitantonio Liuzzi 18
32. 15 Adrian Sutil Timo Glock 20
33. 15 Rubens Barrichello Jerome d'Ambrosio 22
34. 16 Jenson Button Michael Schumacher 5
35. 16 Nico Rosberg Vitaly Petrov 7
36. 16 Pastor Maldonado Nick Heidfeld 12
37. 16 Jaime Alguersuari Nick Heidfeld 13
38. 16 Pastor Maldonado Heikki Kovalainen 11
39. 16 Jaime Alguersuari Heikki Kovalainen 12
40. 16 Adrian Sutil Vitantonio Liuzzi 19
41. 16 Rubens Barrichello Timo Glock 21
42. 17 Paul di Resta Nick Heidfeld 13
43. 18 Adrian Sutil Heikki Kovalainen 18
44. 19 Adrian Sutil Kamui Kobayashi 17
45. 21 Sergio Perez Nick Heidfeld 13
46. 23 Paul di Resta Jaime Alguersuari 10
47. 23 Felipe Massa Jaime Alguersuari 11
48. 24 Felipe Massa Paul di Resta 10
49. 25 Pastor Maldonado Adrian Sutil 14
50. 25 Nick Heidfeld Heikki Kovalainen 18
51. 25 Nick Heidfeld Kamui Kobayashi 17
52. 26 Timo Glock Vitantonio Liuzzi 21
53. 28 Pastor Maldonado Jarno Trulli 12
54. 28 Sebastien Buemi Jarno Trulli 13
55. 28 Jaime Alguersuari Adrian Sutil 15
56. 29 Pastor Maldonado Sergio Perez 11
57. 29 Sebastien Buemi Sergio Perez 12
58. 30 Nico Rosberg Paul di Resta 8
59. 32 Vitaly Petrov Paul di Resta 9
60. 32 Kamui Kobayashi Jarno Trulli 17
61. 34 Kamui Kobayashi Rubens Barrichello 16
62. 35 Mark Webber Fernando Alonso 3
63. 35 Fernando Alonso Mark Webber 3
64. 36 Jenson Button Mark Webber 4
65. 36 Jenson Button Fernando Alonso 3
66. 36 Nick Heidfeld Jaime Alguersuari 12
67. 36 Paul di Resta Jaime Alguersuari 12
68. 36 Sergio Perez Jaime Alguersuari 13
69. 37 Adrian Sutil Jarno Trulli 15
70. 37 Nick Heidfeld Jarno Trulli 16
71. 38 Nick Heidfeld Adrian Sutil 16
72. 41 Nick Heidfeld Pastor Maldonado 15
73. 41 Rubens Barrichello Heikki Kovalainen 19
74. 42 Paul di Resta Sebastien Buemi 9
75. 42 Sergio Perez Sebastien Buemi 10
76. 42 Vitaly Petrov Sebastien Buemi 11
77. 43 Nick Heidfeld Kamui Kobayashi 12
78. 45 Nick Heidfeld Vitaly Petrov 11
79. 46 Kamui Kobayashi Jaime Alguersuari 16
80. 48 Kamui Kobayashi Sebastien Buemi 15
81. 50 Sergio Perez Pastor Maldonado 12
82. 52 Kamui Kobayashi Pastor Maldonado 11
83. 52 Nick Heidfeld Pastor Maldonado 12
84. 54 Jaime Alguersuari Rubens Barrichello 17
85. 55 Sergio Perez Vitaly Petrov 9
86. 55 Nick Heidfeld Kamui Kobayashi 11
87. 56 Nick Heidfeld Vitaly Petrov 10
88. 56 Kamui Kobayashi Vitaly Petrov 11
89. 60 Nick Heidfeld Sergio Perez 8
90. 63 Adrian Sutil Sebastien Buemi 13



P. Driver Overtaking
1. Nick Heidfeld 12
2. Kamui Kobayashi 10
3. Adrian Sutil 8
4. Pastor Maldonado 7
5. Sergio Perez 6
6. Jenson Button 5
7. Rubens Barrichello 5
8. Felipe Massa 5
9. Jaime Alguersuari 4
10. Nico Rosberg 4
11. Paul di Resta 4
12. Sebastien Buemi 4
13. Vitaly Petrov 4
14. Mark Webber 3
15. Sebastian Vettel 3
16. Michael Schumacher 2
17. Fernando Alonso 1
18. Jerome d'Ambrosio 1
19. Timo Glock 1
20. Vitantonio Liuzzi 1
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Re: Gran Premio de España Santander 2011

Post by sdutt » 26 May 2011, 15:04

no wonder i didnt see most of them as ot was guys like Heidfeld and Sutil doing the overtaking (tv director wasnt too ointerested in them i suppose)
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