2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix
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^^^ Have to agree this Mclaren's development rate has outpaced Ferrari at least considering visual updates.IMO they should build new wind tunnel ..current is oldest one in f1 ..was build in iiirc 96.I guess after spain they started to concentrate more resource on 2009 car :s
Lets see how this race goes ..its too early for WDC call.
Lets see how this race goes ..its too early for WDC call.
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Mclaren are using a mechanically actuated torque control device , that would explain Lewis wet weather performance at Silverstone and also his drive at Hockenheim.
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The blackmail story is a fabrication from the British press, truth is we don't know what happened behind those closed doors and how the words fell. A row, for sure - but exactly why and how things happened we have no idea. Not even Ron called it blackmail and Alonso hasn't spoken about it. I hope the truth will get out in time, but until then...TwistedArmco wrote:
In fairness to Hamilton, he didn't also blackmail Ron afterwards.
And now I'm WAY off topic, sorry...
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what is that?iceman1 wrote:Mclaren are using a mechanically actuated torque control device , that would explain Lewis wet weather performance at Silverstone and also his drive at Hockenheim.
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its a system that uses 2 extra paddles below the gear shift paddles. In lower gears when the paddles are actuated it delivers a soft torque as a result limits wheel spin.shail69 wrote:what is that?iceman1 wrote:Mclaren are using a mechanically actuated torque control device , that would explain Lewis wet weather performance at Silverstone and also his drive at Hockenheim.
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I dont understand what are u guyz talking about...
Is it something wrong had mclaren disobey in terms of race regulation?
Is it something wrong had mclaren disobey in terms of race regulation?
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Nah, but it might be in the grey area. AFAIK Renault had tried something similar but Alonso wasn't satisfied with the system.
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syafiqa wrote:I dont understand what are u guyz talking about...
Is it something wrong had mclaren disobey in terms of race regulation?
For more information about Formula1 wait for our F1online Magazine next weekMcLaren have recently been using steering wheels with 4 paddles, rather than the usual two. The 'telegraph' have reported that, while the upper paddles are used for conventional up and downshifting, the additional levers allow the driver to select a different engine mapping, independently from the gear shifting.
The currently used standard engine control unit enable to teams to program a number of predefined engine mappings, optimising traction or driveability in different conditions or at different speeds. The new system enables the driver to change gears and simultaneously change to a different engine mapping by pulling the paddles at the same time. Most importantly, it looks to be allowed by current regulations as these only stipulate that engine mappings can only be changed by the driver. Any automatic change acting upon a gear shift is forbidden.
Already considered a manual traction control system, the drivers have not the ability to effectively limit wheel spin when accelerating out of slow corners while not reducing power at higher speeds. When finally considered legal by the FIA, Ferrari is likely to be quick and copy the system to recover from their current performance deficit.
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So what u think??
Is it Mclaren innocent or not?
Is it Mclaren innocent or not?
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Current status for engines and gear boxes of drivers:
So, Kimi, Lewis and Hekki will use new engines whereas Felipe will use the same engine. Kimi's and Lewis' gear boxes will experience their last race.
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Driver Engine Gearbox
Kimi Raikkonen E2 G3
Felipe Massa E1 G1
Nick Heidfeld E2 G2
Robert Kubica E1 Opt G2
Fernando Alonso E1 G3
Nelson Piquet E1 Opt G3
Nico Rosberg E2 G4
Kazuki Nakajima E2 G2
David Coulthard Opt E2 Opt G4
Mark Webber E2 G2
Jarno Trulli E1 G1
Timo Glock E1 G4
Sebastien Bourdais E1 G3
Sebastian Vettel E1 Opt G3
Jenson Button Opt E2 Opt G4
Rubens Barrichello E2 G1
Adrian Sutil Opt E2 Opt G3
Giancarlo Fisichella E1 Opt G3
Lewis Hamilton E2 G3
Heikki Kovalainen E2 G2
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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix
McLaren is totally innocent so far as there's no ruling preventing this system (and I have to - as much as I hate it - give them credit for their innovativeness )syafiqa wrote:So what u think??
Is it Mclaren innocent or not?
The rulings stipulate a driver is not allowed to change engine mapping at the same time he changes gears. McLaren found a way around this rule by introducing these two new engine-mapping-chaning paddles separated from the normal gear-changing paddles.
But Macca being innocent right now doesn't mean anything. Ze FIA may change the rules at an eye's whim (see Renault's mass-damper) and all of a sudden such a system can be forbidden. We'll just have to wait and see.
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i doubt their is enough information available atm .. to comment on that.syafiqa wrote:So what u think??
Is it Mclaren innocent or not?
iceman1 has posted same the info ..copy pasted at many news sites ..which is incorrect.
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10min to 2.00 a.m.(malaysia time)
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And I feel too sleepy now. :tired:
Its bed time :cheezy:
Thankz for da information..
Bye iceman..suntrek..zack..and everyone..
I'm back tomorrow morning...
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Count 4 paddles on this replicaZack wrote:i doubt their is enough information available atm .. to comment on that.syafiqa wrote:So what u think??
Is it Mclaren innocent or not?
iceman1 has posted same the info ..copy pasted at many news sites ..which is incorrect.
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There's a video I found on You Tube about steering wheels: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXrBi1Y46zU
J.J. Lehto says that Renault also has a similar system and that Alonso doesn't like it too much and doesn't even use it. Also, he says that it takes a lot of training to get it right, and it probably brings a tenth per lap max. Drivers have to operate two paddles with both hands, which requires a lot of coordination skills. Then, he says that McLaren has overall got their car working really well with aerodynamics etc.
Basically he downplays the significance of that wheel. Also, he says that it depends on the engine supplier if the teams are gonna implement a similar system.
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What about Mark Webber ? His engine blew up in Germany, isn't he allowed to use a fresh one in Hungary then ?xyneid wrote:Current status for engines and gear boxes of drivers:
So, Kimi, Lewis and Hekki will use new engines whereas Felipe will use the same engine. Kimi's and Lewis' gear boxes will experience their last race.Code: Select all
Driver Engine Gearbox Kimi Raikkonen E2 G3 Felipe Massa E1 G1 Nick Heidfeld E2 G2 Robert Kubica E1 Opt G2 Fernando Alonso E1 G3 Nelson Piquet E1 Opt G3 Nico Rosberg E2 G4 Kazuki Nakajima E2 G2 David Coulthard Opt E2 Opt G4 Mark Webber E2 G2 Jarno Trulli E1 G1 Timo Glock E1 G4 Sebastien Bourdais E1 G3 Sebastian Vettel E1 Opt G3 Jenson Button Opt E2 Opt G4 Rubens Barrichello E2 G1 Adrian Sutil Opt E2 Opt G3 Giancarlo Fisichella E1 Opt G3 Lewis Hamilton E2 G3 Heikki Kovalainen E2 G2