2011-12 Silly Season

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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by phil1993 » 23 Nov 2011, 13:37

donald29 wrote:Felipe may have had a poor season
* Two poor seasons.

I think Felipe would be more suited to a smaller team such as Sauber. Ferrari has served their due with him, but I think - had they known they get Felipe 2.0 not the Felipe of 2008, they'd have kept Kimi alongside Alonso.

Felipe wasn't too bad up until Hockenheim last season, but in the last 1.5 seasons he has been woeful. You need a proper battle at top teams, and Ferrari won't win the WCC until they drop Felipe.

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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by frubbs » 23 Nov 2011, 13:56

My math this season:
Vettel: Great car + great driver = champion
Weber: decent driver + great car = good results
Lewis: great driver + good car - bad attitude = good results
Jenson: very good driver + good car + good attitude = good results
Alonso: Great driver + bad car = good results
Massa: good driver + bad car + bad luck = poor results

before 2009, we had basically 4 drivers (2 Ferrari, 2 McLaren) fighting for 3 places in the podium. Now RBR came to the party and there are 6 guys 'obligated' to reach top 3.
According to the math above, was predictable that Massa would have dificulties to get a trophy this season
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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by sleenster » 23 Nov 2011, 17:14

Seems like Massa can't stop dispensing advice :roll::

(Google translation)
About Raikkonen: "I think it's possible (the return). He is a pilot with experience, who understands a lot about of the development of the car, but maybe he needs to talk a little bit more."

http://esportes.terra.com.br/automobili ... +mais.html

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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by Mar » 24 Nov 2011, 13:27

Barrichello tweeted last week something about telling today about his next year's plans.
Let's see if it's true.

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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by phil1993 » 24 Nov 2011, 15:58

'I believe they [Buemi and Alguersuari] are complete. They have done what they can and I don't think that after 50 races there is a margin for improvement'

In Autosport magazine today, from Giorgio Ascanelli.

http://www.f1zone.net/news/you-say-it-b ... all/10507/

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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by Mar » 24 Nov 2011, 16:09

phil1993 wrote:'I believe they [Buemi and Alguersuari] are complete. They have done what they can and I don't think that after 50 races there is a margin for improvement'

In Autosport magazine today, from Giorgio Ascanelli.
Ouch!

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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by frubbs » 24 Nov 2011, 18:13

i like Alguersuari...


plus, he is a DJ !!! :shhh:
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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by iceman1 » 24 Nov 2011, 18:27

According to Motorsport total Heidfeld will join Mercedes as their 3rd driver for 2012 ''hmm''

http://www.f1zone.net/news/third-driver ... ort/10511/

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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by François » 24 Nov 2011, 18:44

phil1993 wrote:'I believe they [Buemi and Alguersuari] are complete. They have done what they can and I don't think that after 50 races there is a margin for improvement'

In Autosport magazine today, from Giorgio Ascanelli.

http://www.f1zone.net/news/you-say-it-b ... all/10507/
Very harsh. What about the car's margin for improvement, Mr Ascanelli? If they're as good as they'll ever be, maybe give them opportunities in competitive machinery to see what they can achieve? Because STR are only going to be fighting for 8-9-10th at best, except in the event of significant attrition. Also, they've only ever been pitched against one another (except when Ricciardo and Vergne have driven in FP1)... and Giorgio says they're pretty much on the same level (and by that he means bad). What (who) can he compare them with if they're on equal levels?

Oh, and Buemi is 23, Alguersuari only 21. It must feel pretty insulting when someone claims you've peaked at such young ages.
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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by Mar » 24 Nov 2011, 22:53

Toto Wolff says nothing has happened yet in the Williams drivers story, but AMuS says Sutil chances on the seat are better now because Williams don't want to give Kimi shares:
http://www.f1zone.net/news/williams-no- ... yet/10516/

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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by frubbs » 24 Nov 2011, 23:03

New Lotus driver for 2012 announced:

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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by Mar » 25 Nov 2011, 16:13

Now Auto, Motor und Sport says the Kimi/Williams negotiations are broken. Interestingly, they also say Kimi tried to buy 20% of another 2 teams before he tried with Williams and that, now, some other team (not Williams) might be interested in selling.

The story in English:
http://www.f1zone.net/news/after-willia ... ort/10537/

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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by donald29 » 25 Nov 2011, 18:10

Yeah Ted Kravitz was saying in FP1 it looks like both Alguesuari and Buemi will be dropped, with Alguesuari possibly driving for HRT.

It would be very harsh, particularly for Alguesuari. And a risk for Toro Rosso having Vergne and Ricciardo, two inexperienced drivers. I'd expect to see them slip back behind Force India and Sauber to be honest.

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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by majidasadi » 26 Nov 2011, 09:41

Yeah Ted Kravitz was saying in FP1 it looks like both Alguesuari and Buemi will be dropped, with Alguesuari possibly driving for HRT.
poor Alguersuari, personally i think he is a better driver than Buemi, it will be sad to see him driving that HRT after having a few good seasons in Toro Rosso, but i think Ricciardo will have a good performance in Torro Rosso,I prefer Alguersuari and Ricciardo in the team with Vergne as the third driver
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Re: 2011-12 Silly Season

Post by donald29 » 26 Nov 2011, 16:29

Sutil and Barrichello staking claims for drives this afternoon...

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