valuk wrote:
Oh, boo hoo! Women in Afganistan have reasons to complain, but not in the western world. I won´t say that there aren´t any problems but to say that women are not equal is BS. Why don´t women want to be equal and work as many years as men to get a pension (when they retire). Women live longer and yet they work less. Why is that?
About the hippie-movement. Hippies are the laziest, work hating douchebags the world has ever seen. Why would taking drugs, sitting on your ass and having unprotected sex save the problems of the world. That just doesn´t makes sense. For some women the idea of freedom was not wearing a bra and not shaving you armpits.
If you think that this makes women free then the women in Afganistan have been free for hundrets of years.
I think the real problem is in respecting each other. Man (or woman) should respect the work the other is doing at home, with the family. Stay at home moms (or dads) are many times looked down upon by those who work in "real" jobs. But they have a real job-raising children, the same children we hear all the time are our true wealth and yet we let them be raised by their teachers, nannys, the streets...just not their parents.
Boohoo back to you
Who says women work less? At some point men want to have children and the woman has to give up her career, stay off work and possibly never getting back to work, depending on what the husband wants also.
The hippie-movement took many directions but one thing it did was that it broke traditional beliefs and opened up a possibility for women to become independent - birth control being the most important one.
Women's independency can be a tough thing to swallow for some men since they can't just expect women to be under their power anymore. The jerk who stole my dog called me afterwards and gave me an ultimatum: either I come back and start serving him fulltime, go to work, give him money (like earlier) and do all the cleaning, food, shopping and other responsibilites without saying one word - or I'll never see my dog anymore. See how it's there hidden in some men, the ancient thought of control and power even though circumstances are completely different and would definitely need a re-evaluation. And those things he demanded from me where the things I was unhappy with during our relationship but here's the best part: his dear sister came to give us (me) some advice and guidance: "You should get children, that will solve all your problems"
But you are right, the real problem is respect. It's alarming how things have taken a turn in Finland for example. Even young girls have become very demanding and the respect for men is fading. Women can have one-night-stands and refuse to start a relationships whereas earlier it was the other way around, men were running away from commitment.
Like I said, I wait for a balance, now it has gone to the other extreme here and men are more like toy-boys to some
Never fall in love with a Finnish girl, never
Unless you can't put yourself in a woman's position then you won't understand Acropolis for example. It's a long long long generation and without knowing anybody's history I suspect that many women here have witnessed with their own eyes how there are some things, even in the Western world, where we hit the 'glassroof'.
Take work for example, one thing that annoys many women is that men have these sauna-meetings where they decide upon things while drinking beer. They even have a name here: The Good Bro' Club. Women in high positions are often seen as a threat and the worst case is if a woman isn't respected as a woman at work then they can change into more masculine and that is not a pretty sight from a man's perspective, I've witnessed it many times.
One man once read a women's magazine and he was shocked over how many expectations are put on women in their own magazines - expectations nobody can meet which leaves with a feeling of inadequacy.
It works both ways. Once some women at work were complaining over the nude pictures and calendars men had in their office rooms and felt bad about it. Complaining wouldn't have done anything so I suggested we do the same, go and shop for some male posters to put in our office rooms.
Here's what happened: Man after man came smiling and happy to my room until they saw the poster - and shrank immediately since they naturally compared themself to the hunk - and lost.
Their reactions weren't nice to watch in the end so I took it down. But I also understood much better how women are exposed to objectification from day to day - in the western world - so no wonder so many women put so much money on their hair and clothes plus are always on a diet.
Things have changed a bit, you see more and more men as models and belive me, it will have an affect on you sooner or later. Once the comparison-game starts, please do your everything to get out of it before you are in for something you are bound to lose at some point since it's based upon an illusion and no matter how goodlooking or fit you are, be sure that there will always be more fitter and more goodlooking men as time goes by. You can't win and for women it's everyday life.
So maybe things start turning around so that the husband doesn't say to his wife when watching some young and beautiful 'why can't you be more like her' into the wife asking the husband 'why can't you be more like him'
I've heard so many heartbreaking stories of how what I described above is everyday life
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. But I don't think they would be too exited, they're not a petting zoo after all. And the problem with an actual petting zoo is that the cats there run around free (and away from me)
You do this to yourself.