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Renault Race Fixing - ING terminate Renault deal
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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*
blizzard wrote:True MP4/#12,MP4/4#12 wrote:Don`t worry, he "banned" himself, what Team will want him as a driver after this ? Like it or not, every team has their secrets, be it good or bad, no one will want a former driver that will tell the media abou them.phil1993 wrote:Yesterday, in Paris, the FIA met to discuss what should happen with regard to the penalty against the Renault F1 Team.
At the same time, many respected people from the world of football were in a church in England at the funeral of Sir Bobby Robson, a footballing genius both on the pitch and in the dugout as well as being a true gentleman
I`ve seen it on the news, i agree, Robson is a football legend !
A great man's funeral was at the same time as the hearing of a team, driver, and team boss which has disgraced itself. It's a poignant reminder of how the world works...
Also, is it just me who thinks that Piquet should be banned for life for his part in the scandal?
About Briatore, well personally i think it`s fair, for a lot of reasons since 1994....
Briatore was perhaps the worst of the bunch, regarding his Mafia connection and all that.
But almost every team and certainly every big team has a few corpses in their basement.
For example Williams what happened to the steering column, why did Patrick Head work against the investigation team in Italy?
Well, the man didn`t want to go to jail, maybe ? I`m kidding here, just to clarify things, i dont care it the steering broke before or after the crash. Ayrton knew the risks and accepted them and that`s it, no one should be blamed.
Or Ferrari, Jean Todt fixed a few races himself by team orders, I´m sure there is more in the background. We know that Rubinho can be a bit of a cry baby, but I believe him that there was a lot of dirty laundry washed at Ferrari behind closed doors.
Yeah, and FIA at the time didnt react, that`s why the joke FIArrari started !
Or McLaren, countless scandals in the past. Ron Dennis is gone for good now, he was one in the same category as Todt, although in a different way.
Like Sir Frank Williams, he`s a self-made man that built the most successfull team since early 80`s, you can`t do that while being a "gentleman" but you have to admire his style.
And of course the crooks of all crooks : Bernie and Max.
Is it me that keeps thinking: All of this seems to be some kind of revenge for that sex scandal ? Max nailed Ron, and Flavio.....who`s next i wonder ?F1 is full of those people, we shouldn´t fool ourselves.
But in fact we love the sport and that´s what we should concentrate on. Nobody knows how much dirty stuff is still undiscovered behind the scenes and if I´m honest I don´t want to know it.
I think that I speak for all F1 fans in that case.
Yes, i think you do mate ! I hate this scandals...
We want to see the sport we love and we know that there are close to zero nice people in F1, but which chief executive or president is nice in football or basketball? It´s all the same behind closed doors, too much money and too many egos involved.
That´s life.
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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*
You have to either be the luckiest person in the world or be an unscrupulous asshat to get to the level where those in charge of F1 are... Most people aren't lucky and none are that lucky for that long...
Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*
Witness X aka Whistleblower .... (reminds me of Woman X )
It seems like Flavio Briatore was not the main culprit
Two(Witness X & Pat) Recorded Statements says its was Nelson's idea.
- He was present in fixture meeting.
Renault employee.
Not on high profile position in the team.
It seems like Flavio Briatore was not the main culprit
Two(Witness X & Pat) Recorded Statements says its was Nelson's idea.
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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*
definitely. he was as much involved as Briatore, he should've said no. its no good him saying 'sorry, i regret doing it now' not exactly gonna change anything is it?phil1993 wrote:Also, is it just me who thinks that Piquet should be banned for life for his part in the scandal?
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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*
Alonso should give Rosberg Singapore's trophy, no?
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Today's renault headlines ...
Symonds will 'always regret' his actions
Hamilton: Piquet could return to F1
Whistle-blower key to Renault case
Renault will stay in F1 despite scandal
Symonds will 'always regret' his actions
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Piquet may seek race drive in America
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Bell to be Renault boss for rest of '09
I'm happy about renault's choice
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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*
No, I'm not calmer. Just more jaded.
Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*
Agreed 110%. Piquet should have gotten some form of FIA punishment.Robert Kubica wrote:Yeah, normally if you go the police and you say you killed someone but you know someone else who killed three people, you will still go to jail.
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Ecclestone: Briatore ban too harsh
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Kudos to Robert Kubica atleast is not numb like other sports persons
Didn't knew this ..what stupid thing to doFirstly he [Flavio] was invited to appear [in front of the World Motor Sport Council] and his lawyers wrote and said the FIA have no jurisdiction as far as he is concerned, which was probably right.
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Re: Renault Race Fixing - ING pull out
ING Terminate Renault deal
Right now, in the middle of Belgium, a 13 year old called Tom just explodedRenault's title sponsor ING late on Thursday said it has terminated its contract with the French team "with immediate effect".
Mere hours after Spanish insurance backer Mutua Madrilena pulled its logos from the R29 for the same reason, the Dutch bank ING said it has also decided to end its association with Renault because of the crashgate scandal.
It is believed that both sponsors cite a clear and serious breach of contract, due to clauses requiring the Enstone based team to comply with FIA rules and regulations.
"ING is deeply disappointed at this turn of events, especially in the context of an otherwise successful sponsorship," a media statement issued late on Thursday read.
The statement went out to the world's media in the dead of the Singapore night, after team mechanics had throughout Thursday worked on the fully ING-branded cars in the pits of the Asian city-state's street circuit.
All team equipment as well as personnel and driver apparel also carried prominent ING branding as per usual on Thursday, the day before official practice for the weekend's Singapore Grand Prix begins.
Like Mutua Madrilena, ING had previously decided not to stay in Formula One beyond 2009.
Re: Renault Race Fixing - ING pull out
This is bad news, but not terrible news. ING were leaving Renault anyway, the team were looking for a new title sponsor regardless of this news. So obviously the news is bad, but it's just a consequence of the race fixing, and that has been spoken about enough already.phil1993 wrote:ING Terminate Renault deal
Right now, in the middle of Belgium, a 13 year old called Tom just explodedRenault's title sponsor ING late on Thursday said it has terminated its contract with the French team "with immediate effect".
Mere hours after Spanish insurance backer Mutua Madrilena pulled its logos from the R29 for the same reason, the Dutch bank ING said it has also decided to end its association with Renault because of the crashgate scandal.
It is believed that both sponsors cite a clear and serious breach of contract, due to clauses requiring the Enstone based team to comply with FIA rules and regulations.
"ING is deeply disappointed at this turn of events, especially in the context of an otherwise successful sponsorship," a media statement issued late on Thursday read.
The statement went out to the world's media in the dead of the Singapore night, after team mechanics had throughout Thursday worked on the fully ING-branded cars in the pits of the Asian city-state's street circuit.
All team equipment as well as personnel and driver apparel also carried prominent ING branding as per usual on Thursday, the day before official practice for the weekend's Singapore Grand Prix begins.
Like Mutua Madrilena, ING had previously decided not to stay in Formula One beyond 2009.