Start your own series, Mosley tells FOTA
FIA president Max Mosley has indicated that the governing body is not about to bow to demands being placed on it by Formula 1's current teams about their entry to the 2010 championship.
Nine of the sport's current competitors submitted their entries to next year's championship on the condition that a new Concorde Agreement was signed by June 12 and that next year's cost-cutting rule changes are abandoned in favour of their preferred regulations.
However, speaking to Swiss publication Motorsport Aktuell, Mosley has made it clear that it is unlikely a Concorde Agreement can be put together in such a short time frame - and he has suggested the rebel teams go off and set up their own championship if they are unhappy.
"A Concorde Agreement which one receives so late can't be signed by June 12," Mosley was quoted as saying.
"We now have a conflict and we will see who succeeds in the end. I say to them: If you want to draw up your own rules, then you can organise your own championship. But we have the Formula 1 championship.
"We draw up the rules for that. We have been doing that for 60 years and we will continue doing so."
With a whole host of new teams having submitted entries to next year's championship, there are no shortage of competitors who can fill the grid if current teams do not wish to compete.
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali said last week that if the conditions laid down by FOTA's nine members were not accepted, then their entries would be invalid.
£40m Budget Cap and Controversies
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FIA president Max Mosley has made it clear that the governing body will stand its ground over its controversial 2010 budget cap plan and will not bow to the demands of the Formula One Teams’ Association.
The nine active FOTA members – all of the current F1 grid bar Williams – submitted entries for the 2010 world championship last Friday, but said they were conditional on the planned budget cap being dropped and their influence over the rule-making process being restored via a new Concorde Agreement.
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali and Toyota’s F1 president John Howett have since issued statements emphasising the teams’ resolve, with Domenicali declaring starkly that the nine entries would be “invalid” if FOTA’s terms are not met.
After keeping his own counsel for several days, Mosley has now thrown down the gauntlet to the nine ‘rebel’ teams – calling on them to set up their own championship if they are unhappy with F1’s current governance.
“I say to them: If you want to make the rules, then go and organise your own championship,” he told Swiss publication Motorsport Aktuell.
“But we have the Formula 1 championship. We draw up the rules for that.
“We’ve been doing that for 60 years and we will continue to do so.”
One of FOTA’s conditions is for a new Concorde Agreement – which would bind the signatory teams to F1 until 2012, but would also take rule-making power away from the FIA World Council – to be signed by June 12, when the governing body will announce the successful 2010 entrants.
But Mosley says there is insufficient time to finalise a new agreement by that date: “You cannot sign an agreement that was drawn up so late by June 12.”
He also suggested FOTA’s conditions are a delaying tactic intended to keep out prospective new teams.
“It’s quite clear that they want to slow down the process of application to the championship so that it will be too late for the new teams,” he said.
A steady stream of new teams – of varying degrees of credibility – have confirmed that their intention to join F1 next year under the budget cap option, as has Williams; while the FIA insists that Ferrari is bound by contractual obligations to compete until 2012.
So although the united stance of the nine FOTA teams gives them a strong negotiating hand, the FIA is holding out the threat that they will lose their places on next year’s grid unless they drop their conditions and sign up to the regulations as they currently stand.
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to the FOTA!
to the good old F1!
to the good old F1!
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An idea: If teams want to spend more than £40m, why don't FIA make it £50m per car, so teams like Ferrari could have 5 cars, that would be kinda cool.
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Teams seeking solution, not new series
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75812
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75812
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So Mosley backstabbed them as he knew that the conditional entries would be invalid from the start.Theissen also revealed that the decision by FOTA to lodge conditional entries was suggested to them by Mosley.
"When we had the meeting with Max [Mosley] in Monaco, it was his idea to put in a conditional entry," he said.
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Toyota confirm on 5Live that a breakaway championship has been spoken about within FOTA but would prefer a resolution is found with the FIA
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BREAKING NEWS: FOTA falling apart
Force India submitted entry for 2010
Force India submitted entry for 2010
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So Max has no intention of reaching a compromise, and wants the £40 million cap with technical freedoms. He'll kill F1 if he remains this damn stubborn.
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I'm think Max will quit in October and the new FIA president will sort it out. But I'd like for STR and RBR to merge, have 7 teams (Williams and FI submitted separate entries) with 3 cars each. Then we could have:swca92 wrote:So Max has no intention of reaching a compromise, and wants the £40 million cap with technical freedoms. He'll kill F1 if he remains this damn stubborn.
Ferrari: Raikkonen, Massa, Alonso
McLaren: Hamilton, Kovalainen, Rosberg
Renault: Piquet, Grosjean, di Grassi
Toyota: Glock, Trulli, Sutil
Red Bull Racing: Vettel, Webber, Buemi
Brawn GP: Button, Barrichello, Davidson
BMW: Kubica, Heidfeld, Klien
Fisi and Naka can go home and Bourdais can go off to LMES/Indy Car
and have a calendar like this:
Albert Park-------------- Australia
Fuji ----------------Pacific
Imola------------------ San Marino
Portimao ------------Portugal
Monte Carlo-------------- Monaco
Circuit Gilles Villeneuve----------- Canada
Indianapolis------------ USA
Porto de los Funes Circuit--------- Argentina
Magny Cours---------------- France
Silverstone-------- Britain
Nurburgring---------------- Germany
Valencia Street Circuit------------- Spain
Donington Park-------- Europe
Spa Francorchamps------- Belgium
Monza----------- Italy
Singapore--------- Singapore
Suzuka-------- Japan
Interlagos ----------Brazil
Good idea or am I mad?
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You are mad ... even i dun like ur idea sorry lol ...phil1993 wrote:I'm think Max will quit in October and the new FIA president will sort it out. But I'd like for STR and RBR to merge, have 7 teams (Williams and FI submitted separate entries) with 3 cars each. Then we could have:swca92 wrote:So Max has no intention of reaching a compromise, and wants the £40 million cap with technical freedoms. He'll kill F1 if he remains this damn stubborn.
Ferrari: Raikkonen, Massa, Alonso
McLaren: Hamilton, Kovalainen, Rosberg
Renault: Piquet, Grosjean, di Grassi
Toyota: Glock, Trulli, Sutil
Red Bull Racing: Vettel, Webber, Buemi
Brawn GP: Button, Barrichello, Davidson
BMW: Kubica, Heidfeld, Klien
Fisi and Naka can go home and Bourdais can go off to LMES/Indy Car
and have a calendar like this:
Albert Park-------------- Australia
Fuji ----------------Pacific
Imola------------------ San Marino
Portimao ------------Portugal
Monte Carlo-------------- Monaco
Circuit Gilles Villeneuve----------- Canada
Indianapolis------------ USA
Porto de los Funes Circuit--------- Argentina
Magny Cours---------------- France
Silverstone-------- Britain
Nurburgring---------------- Germany
Valencia Street Circuit------------- Spain
Donington Park-------- Europe
Spa Francorchamps------- Belgium
Monza----------- Italy
Singapore--------- Singapore
Suzuka-------- Japan
Interlagos ----------Brazil
Good idea or am I mad?
Now the Question is who will be in from those several teams who sent their entry
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Force India facing FOTA suspension
Howett: "It is likely they may be suspended. I haven't really had the opportunity to speak to Vijay directly, but he has committed in accordance with FOTA a conditional entry and apparently, due to commercial issues, totally unrelated to another team or support, they felt obliged because of other binding legal activities due to funding or other issues, they needed to submit an official entry."
Howett: "It is likely they may be suspended. I haven't really had the opportunity to speak to Vijay directly, but he has committed in accordance with FOTA a conditional entry and apparently, due to commercial issues, totally unrelated to another team or support, they felt obliged because of other binding legal activities due to funding or other issues, they needed to submit an official entry."
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http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/2009/06/06/more-on-what-the-teams-mean-to-f1/ wrote: My colleague Michael Schmidt of Auto Motor und Sport has jogged my memory of something I looked at around the time when the Formula One Teams Association was formed, last September.
I remember asking Ron Dennis how the FOTA teams were going to make sure that Ferrari didn’t repeat what it had done in 2005 and split off to side with the FIA when it suited them. He replied that Ferrari was looking at things quite differently now and that in any case the manufacturers had all agreed to bind themselves to each other by agreeing a fine if one of them broke away.
Michael has written today that the fine is €50 million. Now I think about it, this has to be considered central to the way FOTA is conducting itself at the moment. In other words the five teams; Ferrari, McLaren Mercedes, Toyota, Renault and BMW Sauber are a block.
But the fact remains that if the FIA goes to court and can prove that Ferrari has a binding contract to race in F1 in 2010 then the game will be up for the others.
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Mosley's Response: FOTA should enter to shape F1
FIA president Max Mosley has written to the eight remaining Formula One Teams' Association members urging them to enter next year's championship unconditionally so they can help shape the rules they want, AUTOSPORT can reveal.
FIA president Max Mosley has written to the eight remaining Formula One Teams' Association members urging them to enter next year's championship unconditionally so they can help shape the rules they want, AUTOSPORT can reveal.
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Still strong sounds of Renault, BMW and/or Toyota leaving F1, Olav Mol keeps saying he doesn't believe every team of 2009 will be on the grid in 2010. 9 Times out of 10, Olav is right..
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