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Who will win the 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland?
Poll ended at 24 Jul 2010, 19:56
Lewis Hamilton 19%  19%  [ 12 ]
Jenson Button 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Mark Webber 23%  23%  [ 14 ]
Sebastian Vettel 26%  26%  [ 16 ]
Fernando Alonso 18%  18%  [ 11 ]
Nico Rosberg 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Robert Kubica 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Felipe Massa 5%  5%  [ 3 ]
Michael Schumacher 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Adrian Sutil 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Rubens Barrichello 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 16:41  
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harrisv48 wrote:
Vida wrote:
MavF1 wrote:
Vida wrote:
according to ByronF1:
World Motor Sports Council have unlimited power to punish Ferrari so things could get a deal worse yet for the boys in red


Lets remember who is president of the WMSC. Exactly. I don't expect a severe penalty. Another great day for F1!
I've had enough for today.


i just hope that they get a fair penalty for what they have done today..


hahaha With Ferrari? :p In onther planet, not this one!



miracle do happen :lol:
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 16:45  
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Vida wrote:
harrisv48 wrote:
Vida wrote:
MavF1 wrote:
Vida wrote:
according to ByronF1:
World Motor Sports Council have unlimited power to punish Ferrari so things could get a deal worse yet for the boys in red


Lets remember who is president of the WMSC. Exactly. I don't expect a severe penalty. Another great day for F1!
I've had enough for today.


i just hope that they get a fair penalty for what they have done today..


hahaha With Ferrari? :p In onther planet, not this one!



miracle do happen :lol:


yes but not this year!!! :(
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 17:02  
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MavF1 wrote:
Vida wrote:
according to ByronF1:
World Motor Sports Council have unlimited power to punish Ferrari so things could get a deal worse yet for the boys in red


Lets remember who is president of the WMSC. Exactly. I don't expect a severe penalty. Another great day for F1!
I've had enough for today.


Well, you may all be scoffing and laughing, but Todt and Ferrari didn't exactly part as friends.

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 17:09  
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JoostLamers wrote:
This is just exactly why I hate, and will always hate ferrari. Spot on. No team will do that. Ever. We've seen the Red Bulls crash into eachother, in that same race we almost saw Hamilton crashing into Button!


Do you remember Fuel problems to both McLaren?.

McLaren, stop fastest car (Button) to win slower (Hamilton)
Ferrari, stop slower car (Massa) to win faster (Alonso)

You don't see any diference?. If not, watch Vettel-Webber crash, these things happen and loose a 1+2 for any team is not an option.

(I'm sure if Alonso was first and slower and Ferrari stop him to let Massa win, you would be very happy. Your problem is see Alonso win any)

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 17:20  
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dacer wrote:
JoostLamers wrote:
This is just exactly why I hate, and will always hate ferrari. Spot on. No team will do that. Ever. We've seen the Red Bulls crash into eachother, in that same race we almost saw Hamilton crashing into Button!


Do you remember Fuel problems to both McLaren?.

McLaren, stop fastest car (Button) to win slower (Hamilton)
Ferrari, stop slower car (Massa) to win faster (Alonso)

You don't see any diference?. If not, watch Vettel-Webber crash, these things happen and loose a 1+2 for any team is not an option.

(I'm sure if Alonso was first and slower and Ferrari stop him to let Massa win, you would be very happy. Your problem is see Alonso win any)

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Well, I agree with one thing that you say, which is that most of the grumbling and accusations are because people's problem is with Alonso, or in some cases, Ferrari. In that sense I bet a good half of you McLaren fans are absolutely loving this, something to detract from and make light of the fact that Ferrari had a stonkingly fast car this weekend.

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 17:43  
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 17:48  
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I don't care about those destractions from Ferrari's play today. I won't get distracted from the fact that Ferrari made such an obvious call. Ferrari have so little respect for Massa, it's ridiculous. This weekend it was exactly a year ago he had that terrible accident, and then Ferrari give him this as a present? Ferrari cheated today, they used teamorders whilst they said at Valencia that they never break the rules. Whatever Ferrari, whatever. Go on; make a laugh out of the greatest sport on the planet.

I don't care about Ferrari's speed. McLaren and Red Bull were not that far away. Ferrari will be good at Hungary, just because that track suits there car. I'm not afraid of them, they're so far behind.

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 17:56  
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All teams have a team order
"Don't crash yourself" (both car)

And this team-order have a problem, when faster car is behind slower, and another car can overtake any or both of them.

Remember Vettel + Webber, both loose, Hamilton and Button win. These is ridiculous. if Alonso and Massa fight, they may crash and Vettel win.

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 18:04  
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dacer wrote:
if Alonso and Massa fight, they may crash and Vettel win.

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So, like McLaren with Button, they should have say to Alonso not to attack Massa, not the other way round. Alonso and Massa didn't deserve any penalty, but Ferrari deserve to have no constructors championship point, like McLaren in 2007 at Hungary ( and the fine they already have ).
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 18:05  
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All teams have a team order
"Don't crash yourself" (both car)

If this is what you call teamorders, then you should buy a dictionary.

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 18:07  
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And McLaren Fuel problems?

As said before, Ferrari stoped slower car to win faster. McLaren stoped faster car to win slower. It's quite different. If Alonso is first and slower than Massa, I think Alonso must stop for Massa.

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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 18:14  
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And McLaren Fuel problems?

As said before, Ferrari stoped slower car to win faster. McLaren stoped faster car to win slower. It's quite different. If Alonso is first and slower than Massa, I think Alonso must stop for Massa.

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No, no, no. Sorry, but in my opinion you are completely wrong! McLaren have NEVER asked Button to let Hamilton pass, and vice versa. Ferrari did that today. That's teamordering! If (!) Alonso was faster than there should have been a great fight between Alonso and Massa, we pay for that, we pay to see that. That's what we are watching F1 for. And if Alonso then overtakes Massa, yes, then it's. But when Alonso can't get passed, then he isn't faster. Massa did a better job today, but Ferrari didn't want him to win. And world class drivers in F1 won't crash into eachother, they are smart enough not to be so stupid. Come on. Be reasonable.

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 18:19  
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Not McLaren request Button not to overtake Hamilton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7IiR6Mgwyk

Slower car win
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 18:25  
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alex1369 wrote:
Mclaren race pace always strong so dont worry, our man will be on podium

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Mclraren was far from RBR and Ferrari in race pace, the 4th was already too much. :O
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 18:28  
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iceman1 wrote:
When Kubica came back to the track
Schumacher displayed it's his lack
of time in the car
that meaning he's far
off the pace of the modern pack

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good poem :lol:

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Massa was faster than Alonso
That's why he was ahead on the track
But Rob had to tell him "No
despite reality you have to give the place back

:lol:

you're quick with those :lol:
pitty I don't follow the races with the computer on.


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