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Who will win the 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland?
Poll ended at 24 Jul 2010, 19:56
Lewis Hamilton 19%  19%  [ 12 ]
Jenson Button 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Mark Webber 23%  23%  [ 14 ]
Sebastian Vettel 26%  26%  [ 16 ]
Fernando Alonso 18%  18%  [ 11 ]
Nico Rosberg 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Robert Kubica 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Felipe Massa 5%  5%  [ 3 ]
Michael Schumacher 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Adrian Sutil 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Rubens Barrichello 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 62
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:09  
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You've got to ask yourself, if you were gifted a race in that way, what would you say to the media? You can't just say "yes, we just did team-orders".

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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:10  
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Maybe a coincidence, but if I didn't recall wrongly Hockenheim/Nurburgring was a turning point in the last few years of the drivers' and team championship..
Montoya win in Hockenheim in 2003 for Williams, Alonso and Webber win in 2005 and 2009 for Renault and Red Bull..

Should be an intriguing end to the championship
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:11  
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Team orders should be allowed. I am quite in agreement with this principle. Teams should be allowed to control their results. May not be fair for the viewers and may create controversy and circus but teams should be allowed that. Like any company running their business.

HOWEVER...since 2002 team orders are "outlawed". That regulation should be canceled out of the sporting regs. But since it is in effect, I'd say run with it and penalize Ferrari and Alonso. Swap their finishing positions giving them the individual points they would have earned (Massa 1st place, Alonso 2nd place) and penalize the team by not awarding whatever points they won from their 1-2 finish.


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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:11  
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Michael "Fernando seems to have stolen my strategy book" :p :p
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:15  
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iceman1 wrote:
Michael "Fernando seems to have stolen my strategy book" :p :p


:lol: :lol:

in general a boring race, even boring than Bahrain, hope i wont get a boring race when i will go to Hungary

P4 for my man is ok after a difficult weekend
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:19  
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I wouldn't mind team orders that much if they disguised it well enough. But to do it so blatantly and make up rubbish about Massa making a mistake upshifting is insulting to F1 fans intelligence.

The obvious nature of it I find much worse than the use of team orders, because every team does it. McLaren did it this way, telling Button to not race with Hamilton by telling him he had to save the car. I don't mind that, it was done with intelligence. Ferrari did it with stupidity, it was about as sly as hiding an elephant in a phone box.
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:23  
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swca92 wrote:
I wouldn't mind team orders that much if they disguised it well enough. But to do it so blatantly and make up rubbish about Massa making a mistake upshifting is insulting to F1 fans intelligence.

The obvious nature of it I find much worse than the use of team orders, because every team does it. McLaren did it this way, telling Button to not race with Hamilton by telling him he had to save the car. I don't mind that, it was done with intelligence. Ferrari did it with stupidity, it was about as sly as hiding an elephant in a phone box.


Very well put.

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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:27  
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The most annoying thing about this is ferrari thinks the fans and press are stupid. Did you see massa at the press conference. And after that ferrari continues telling there were some problems for felipe, yeah right...disqualify them, maybe they will learn to be more clever instead of this childish behaviour.
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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:30  
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I've just realised Jean Todt is the FIA president - if an appeal goes to the FIA courts he may well have the final verdict. If that happens my lungs may bust due to too much laughter, I may not be able to stop giggling for the next 20 years.
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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:30  
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They should disqualify both drivers from the race standings along with the team :zz:
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:36  
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Massa - it was my decision to let Alonso pass
Ferrari - Massa did a mistake of shifting gears

Couldn't they agree on one/same variant?

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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:37  
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team order will always happened in F1...but should do it cleverly.... what ferrari did today is clearly has firing back at them..
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Massa says he feels he is not the team's focus for the championship
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PostPosted: 25 Jul 2010, 14:42  
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WTF .... I m shamed to be Ferrari .. like i was after Austria :(

I can only dislike Alonso.

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Ferrari has been summoned to see the stewards following the German GP team orders controversy. More on autosport.com as it happens
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