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Who will win the 2010 Monaco Grand Prix?
Poll ended at 15 May 2010, 15:09
Jenson Button 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
Fernando Alonso 13%  13%  [ 6 ]
Sebastian Vettel 22%  22%  [ 10 ]
Mark Webber 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
Nico Rosberg 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Lewis Hamilton 24%  24%  [ 11 ]
Felipe Massa 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Robert Kubica 13%  13%  [ 6 ]
Michael Schumacher 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
Adrian Sutil 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Other 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 46
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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Monaco Grand Prix
PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 12:13  
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JoostLamers wrote:
Yeah, we're all the same, when the rules are in our advantage we use them to strengthen our arguments, and vica versa. But rules are rules, and Massa should have been handed a penalty for this. Cause he breaks the rules, simple.


Im only winding you up.

And massa crossed the line. He should have been given a drive through, simple as. If he was pushed out the lines IE Alonso Spa 2008, it would be a different story. Fact is, he went over the line and needed a penalty.

Schumacher got the penalty he deserved too. The rules state that if the safety car comes in on the last lap of the race, then the cars basically go in that formation and finish the race. i like the original rule where you have to cross the line and start the next lap to overtake. infact, I think its ridiculous having that new rule.
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PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 12:15  
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shailf1 wrote:
alex1369 wrote:
JoostLamers wrote:
Yeah, we're all the same, when the rules are in our advantage we use them to strengthen our arguments, and vica versa. But rules are rules, and Massa should have been handed a penalty for this. Cause he breaks the rules, simple.


thats what im talking about, give massa the penalty, the whole world saw it, schumi gets penalty for overtaking is bull, pepole want to see overtakings, and schumi had the chance and took it, but to give him then a 20sec penalty is bull, they should just dropped him behind alonso in results and all would be fine, but noo Damon is in charge

isnt the penalty for crossing the line and not touching the line. And dont ssume FIA have noting to do all the race. I am sure they have seen the massa onboard footage and saw that it was ok.


You can see that the left rear wheel would have been over the line on the race track.
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PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 12:42  
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They're quite often very lenient on the Monaco line because the pit exit is very tight and the track is very narrow. I think he's on it, not over it.

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PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 13:40  
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In my opinion there were quite a few contentious decisions this weekend:

1) Felipe Massa blocking Jenson Button during Q3
- From Button's onboard it seemed pretty obvious that he was blocked by Massa. A blocking usually results in a 5 place penalty but Massa received nothing. What we can't see however is what was in front of Massa and whether he had backed off to get more space. Either way, he was pretty dozy when it came to getting out of Button's way.
Verdict - It was a block but it probably didn't affect Button's grid position

2) Fernando Alonso overtaking Karun Chandhok under yellow flags
- Alonso was behind Chandhok when Hulkenberg crashed. As Hulk was crashing, Karun backed off and Alonso went past.
Verdict - Alonso probably did the right thing to avoid another crash

3) Felipe Massa running the yellow line on the pit exit
- The rules state that "Any line painted on the track at the pit exit for the purpose of separating cars leaving the pits from those on the track must not be crossed by any part of a car leaving the pits.". Therefore he broke the rules and a drive through penalty was warranted, even IF he didn't gain anything from it
Verdict - Rules are rules, Massa ran over the line

4) Rubens Barrichello throwing his steering wheel out of the cockpit
- "30.5 A driver who abandons a car must leave it in neutral or with the clutch disengaged, with the KERS shut down and with the steering wheel in place.". Rubens also just threw the wheel out of the cockpit and it was quite dangerous. He claimed he was scared and in a hurry - granted, the cars are going quick at that point but he could have thrown it to the left rather than to the right
Verdict - A fine for breaking rule 30.5 and possibly a reprimand

5) Michael Schumacher passing Fernando Alonso on the last lap
- On reflection, the stewards were right. Rule 40.13 is clear and Schumacher broke it. However, the race director misinformed the teams & drivers by showing green flags and green lights. The new rule regarding the SC line didn't help
Verdict - Rule 40.13 was broken, but swapping them around would have been a more sensible idea...


6. Brainless attack by Trulli on Karun Chandhok.
N O T H I N G &doh


Btw ....above 2nd instance verdict sounds very unreasonable

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Monaco Grand Prix
PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 13:43  
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Really? If you watch the onboard with Teflonso you'll see that Karun backed off and Alonso went through, lucky that neither of them hit Hulk.

+ of course, Trulli's move was stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Monaco Grand Prix
PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 13:53  
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Really? If you watch the onboard with Teflonso you'll see that Karun backed off and Alonso went through, lucky that neither of them hit Hulk.

+ of course, Trulli's move was stupid.

but i think back-off would have been easily possible for Alonso

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Monaco Grand Prix
PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 13:59  
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Teflonso?

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Yeah, Phil, his name is Lucky Lonso :p

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Monaco Grand Prix
PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 14:01  
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Its a nickname - The prefix 'Tef' is often used for Mafia people when nohing sticks to them

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Monaco Grand Prix
PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 15:09  
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cformula1 wrote:
Utterly rubbish stewards decision.

I've always thought that a green light means 'go'. :roll::
Clever interpretation (as per usual) of the rules by Ross though :cool:
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Another fact after the Monaco GP:
- First double point finish for the Fifi's :)

:) :cool:
They're a solid midfield team and they'll only get better.


yeah! Like how we are doing in the public :D

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PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 15:14  
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yeah Sutil is no more the crash driver like last year, currently Kobayashi and Hulkenberg share that title :lol:
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PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 16:00  
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Well there's the reason why Hulkenberg crashed

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 Monaco Grand Prix
PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 18:03  
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But why did he start from the back of the grid first?
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PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 18:03  
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Well there's the reason why Hulkenberg crashed

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yes Sam Michael has confirmed, Hulk made contact with one of the HRTs at the start and then wing got loose at high speed and got underneath the car and crash

here u can read it - its on german
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 51714.html
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PostPosted: 17 May 2010, 21:17  
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But why did he start from the back of the grid first?

He had problems with the clutch, so he made a terrible start :O

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I'm so outraged by the penalty to Schumacher. They were displaying green lights, and from the TV screen to SC logo had disappeared. They were racing to green, so to give a penalty is absurd. It reminds me of when Bourdais received a penalty for hitting Felipe Massa at Fuji, when it was clear that Massa caused all the problems. I expect the appeal to be successful, it's just a shame that Schumacher will not get his time back. And also it screwed my prediction league score!

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