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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by Vorull » 10 Dec 2013, 19:16

And how many points is it worth?

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Post by phil1993 » 10 Dec 2013, 19:20

Vorull wrote:And how many points is it worth?
Two points in the Feature, two in the sprint, plus pole for the feature gets four points.

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Post by F1EA » 10 Dec 2013, 19:28

The FIA is getting scared people will no longer watch the sport. I'd hate to see the ratings for the last couple of races. I watched the last one, but didnt bother with the others.

A sport is a sport. Even if the result is boring, all this manipulation is stupid. Makes it look like amateur child games....

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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by kals » 10 Dec 2013, 21:06

tderias wrote:
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Kevin Clark wrote:According to the BBC, double points would have only affected 3 championships in the last 20 years.

"In 2012, Fernando Alonso would have beaten Sebastian Vettel; in 2008, Felipe Massa would have denied Lewis Hamilton; and in 2003 Kimi Raikkonen would have edged out Michael Schumacher. "
I disagree and tire of journalists doing these comparisons, you drive to the rules at the time. You cannot attempt to justify a points system change by suggesting things "would have been different in the past". Circumstances are totally different.
We know the circumstances are different. Everyone would have went into the last weekend with the double points shenanigans in mind. The comparison is just a sentiment that shows it's not really needed; only 3 times in the past 20 years the rule would have made a difference (at least for the WDC position).
I agree with it not being necessary, I just don't agree with the looking at which year's finals / champions would have changed. You cannot look at different points systems that way as differing times had differing circumstances. Instead what journalists should do is look at how many F1 championships have been decided at the last round. Such as follows...

1980's = 6 - 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986 (60%)
1990's = 5 - 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 (50%)
2000's = 4 - 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008 (40%)
2010's = 2 - 2010, 2012 (50% so far)

These stats show that F1 is in reasonable state when it comes to setting up last round deciders. The blips in these numbers are the domination that some teams achieve during certain periods - McLaren, 1988-1991. Williams, 1992 and 1993. Ferrari, 2000-2002 and 2004. Red Bull, 2011 and 2013.

Lots of titles in past history have also been won in the penultimate race... 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 2000 and 2009. That's a decently fair record for F1. Why manipulate for the final round, when it will only diminish the rest of the season?

Out of 33 titles (from 1980 onwards) 17 have been last round deciders (52%) and 24 have been won at the final race or penultimate race of the season (73%). Only 9 titles have been won prior to the penultimate race of the season...

1992 - Mansell (Hungary - 5 rounds before end of season)
1993 - Prost (Portugal - 2 rounds before end of season)
1995 - Schumacher (Pacific - 2 rounds before end of season)
2001 - Schumacher (Hungary - 4 rounds before end of season)
2002 - Schumacher (France - 6 rounds before end of season)
2004 - Schumacher (Belgium - 4 rounds before end of season)
2005 - Alonso (Brazil - 2 rounds before end of season)
2011 - Vettel (Japan - 4 rounds before end of season)
2013 - Vettel (India - 3 rounds before end of season)

Every round should be as important (points wise) than any other. By weighting the importance of points to one specific race means there could be some erroneous consequences. For instance...

- Particular driver who deserves the title because of performances (and perhaps dominance) throughout the season is denied title because of circumstance beyond his control (taken out...)
- A midfield team builds "Abu Dhabi Special" car whereby the team doesn't perform well at any other circuit then racks up large points haul at final race of year, denying Constructors Championship position to other team who has performed solidly throughout the other 18 races
- Alonso wins in Abu Dhabi 2014 then turns up for the first race of 2015 with special edition helmet - "World Record for Winning Most Points in a F1 Race" is embossed into the helmet
- The race doesn't go the full distance so half points are awarded...

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Post by KevC » 10 Dec 2013, 21:13

kals wrote: - A midfield team builds "Abu Dhabi Special" car whereby the team doesn't perform well at any other circuit then racks up large points haul at final race of year, denying Constructors Championship position to other team who has performed solidly throughout the other 18 races
If they could do that they would do it at every race!

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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by kals » 10 Dec 2013, 21:28

You misunderstand my point.

The "Abu Dhabi Special" car is designed with the last race in mind but launched at the start of the season and used throughout. It is basically crappy at every circuit other than Abu Dhabi.

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Post by tderias » 10 Dec 2013, 22:19

I'm not against the rule because it might turn things on their head in the final race. It could, but to be fair a driver who is doing well for most of the season would most likely do well in Abu Dhabi as well.

I'm against it because its just gimmicky. Way too gimmicky. All races should have equal points. That's the way it always was, and thats the way it always should be.

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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by tderias » 10 Dec 2013, 22:28

McLaren and Force India are not testing next week apparently.

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Post by KevC » 11 Dec 2013, 08:47

kals wrote:You misunderstand my point.

The "Abu Dhabi Special" car is designed with the last race in mind but launched at the start of the season and used throughout. It is basically crappy at every circuit other than Abu Dhabi.
I understand your point. I just don't get how you could do it because that track is not particularly different from lots of other tracks so it would be highly unlikely you could be 2+ seconds faster than you've been for the rest of the season.

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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by kals » 11 Dec 2013, 11:56

It is hypothetical. It COULD happen, doesn't mean it is 100% viable and will happen. That's all. End of.


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Post by KevC » 12 Dec 2013, 13:56

Force India's second driver being announced in the next 15 minutes or so.

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Post by KevC » 12 Dec 2013, 14:14

And it is indeed Perez on a multi-year deal.

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Post by phil1993 » 12 Dec 2013, 14:21

Feature: Force India gives Perez a second chance
http://www.f1zone.net/news/force-india- ... nce/21433/

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Post by iceman1 » 12 Dec 2013, 14:38

Kevin Clark wrote:Force India's second driver being announced in the next 15 minutes or so.
Great combination. I expect a lot from them if the car is competitive.

Happy that di Resta is out, I never liked that guy :p

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