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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by donald29 » 09 Dec 2013, 19:09

phil1993 wrote:New regulations:
http://www.f1zone.net/news/double-point ... med/21415/

- Double points for Abu Dhabi
No no no no no. A stupid and unnecessary gimmick that potentially opens the champion to accusations of not being deserving.

Off the top of my head since 2000 I think 2000 and 2009 are the only seasons where this would have taken the championship to the final race when it otherwise wouldn't have. Every other season it's either gone to the final race or been wrapped up earlier anyway. Hope this goes the same way as medals, but doubt it will.

This feels like a repeat of the post-2002 and 2004 panicking by the FIA.

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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by phil1993 » 09 Dec 2013, 19:21

http://www.f1zone.net/news/six-teams-to ... eek/21416/

Sauber, Lotus, Williams, Caterham, Marussia declined the invite. Would say that's because some of them can't afford it.

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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by kals » 09 Dec 2013, 19:27

Oh heavens above F1.

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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by Ferrari92 » 09 Dec 2013, 19:56

phil1993 wrote: - Double points for Abu Dhabi
This is ridiculous.

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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by donald29 » 09 Dec 2013, 21:17

Kind of hoping Vettel wins the 2014 championship thanks to double points when he otherwise wouldn't have done.

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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by sermilan » 09 Dec 2013, 21:50

F1 is getting away from the "real" F1 with this double points last race rule and getting closer to the virtual, gaming type, where there are all sorts of challenges just to keep you entertained. Ridiculous!

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Post by iceman1 » 09 Dec 2013, 21:58

donald29 wrote:Kind of hoping Vettel wins the 2014 championship thanks to double points when he otherwise wouldn't have done.
Oh shut it :p

So will the drivers get two zeros if they fail to score any point in Abu Dhabi? :p

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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by majidasadi » 10 Dec 2013, 09:28

Every driver is now free to choose his car number, I don't like it.
A craven can be as brave as any man, when there is nothing to fear. And we all do our duty, when there is no cost to it. How easy it seems then, to walk the path of honor.

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Post by KevC » 10 Dec 2013, 10:36

According to the BBC, double points would have only affected 3 championships in the last 20 years.

"In 2012, Fernando Alonso would have beaten Sebastian Vettel; in 2008, Felipe Massa would have denied Lewis Hamilton; and in 2003 Kimi Raikkonen would have edged out Michael Schumacher. "

Hardly seems worth it.

I would have liked to have seen points for fastest lap because I think that would really spice up the end of a race. People out of the points diving in for tyres to blitz the last lap for 10 points or people in the points trying to rag out a good lap on light fuel and fading tyres.

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Post by phil1993 » 10 Dec 2013, 14:57

The original plan was double points at the last four races according to Marko...

Vettel says the idea is absurd and goes against the history of the sport.

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Post by frubbs » 10 Dec 2013, 15:28

Kevin Clark wrote: I would have liked to have seen points for fastest lap because I think that would really spice up the end of a race. People out of the points diving in for tyres to blitz the last lap for 10 points or people in the points trying to rag out a good lap on light fuel and fading tyres.

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Post by kals » 10 Dec 2013, 17:45

Kevin Clark wrote:According to the BBC, double points would have only affected 3 championships in the last 20 years.

"In 2012, Fernando Alonso would have beaten Sebastian Vettel; in 2008, Felipe Massa would have denied Lewis Hamilton; and in 2003 Kimi Raikkonen would have edged out Michael Schumacher. "
I disagree and tire of journalists doing these comparisons, you drive to the rules at the time. You cannot attempt to justify a points system change by suggesting things "would have been different in the past". Circumstances are totally different.

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Post by tderias » 10 Dec 2013, 18:52

kals wrote:
Kevin Clark wrote:According to the BBC, double points would have only affected 3 championships in the last 20 years.

"In 2012, Fernando Alonso would have beaten Sebastian Vettel; in 2008, Felipe Massa would have denied Lewis Hamilton; and in 2003 Kimi Raikkonen would have edged out Michael Schumacher. "
I disagree and tire of journalists doing these comparisons, you drive to the rules at the time. You cannot attempt to justify a points system change by suggesting things "would have been different in the past". Circumstances are totally different.
We know the circumstances are different. Everyone would have went into the last weekend with the double points shenanigans in mind. The comparison is just a sentiment that shows it's not really needed; only 3 times in the past 20 years the rule would have made a difference (at least for the WDC position).

Points for the fastest lap will set a recurring scene for the whole season. Drivers with no hope of breaking into the top 10 with 3 laps to go will pit, coast on the 'outlap', and go for a flying lap right at the very end. How can we call that racing when it happens? It'll be a qualy session for the last three laps, at least where P11-P22 are concerned...

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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by Vorull » 10 Dec 2013, 19:10

The fastest lap should be worth like 1 or 2 points and awarded only if the driver finishes in top 12 or beats a percentage (lets say 50%) of the classified drivers...

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Re: 2014 Formula One Discussion

Post by phil1993 » 10 Dec 2013, 19:14

GP2 has fastest lap points for the one who sets the fastest lap of the top 10 finishers.

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