kals wrote:mikhailv wrote:kals wrote:Well that escalated quickly. All you needed to say is "you misunderstood my point", instead you went a little overaggressive on me don't you think? My apologies for getting the wrong end of the stick. It wasn't intentional.
But your always overaggressive, so dont play that card
You're funny The PC term is a clash of personality
But those who know me, know my querks and how to deal with me. Isn't that right Phil?
Moving on, I get the point that people are making about STR but they are still an entity that deserves to be on the grid. Mid-field to back end teams over many decades have worked as unofficial junior teams to front runners. RBR and STR just made it official.
And referring back to a point I made earlier about Bernie's plan is that he wants to create an "A-team" and "B-team" type structure, where one team would supply kit to another:
RBR to STR
Ferrari to Sauber
McLaren to Force India
Etc... you get the idea. The point being is that this would help create a sustainable cost structure for the current teams by having manufacturers and privateers.
And yes, I know Bernie has had some odd ideas in the past.
To me, the difference between your comparisons, is technical collaboration which doesn't affect on track racing. RBR/STR don't have that relationship. We have seen Sauber racing Ferrari, Force india racing McLaren. Toro Rosso will NEVER race RBR. Neither Ferrari or McLaren have a financially vested interested in the team, they don't own any of it nor do the fund those teams; they sell discount parts. RedBull still funds STR and gradually, we certainly see iterations of RBR's developments on the STR. These technical collaborations where Renault sell their engines, KERS and Gearboxes, Mercedes/mclaren do the same and Ferrari too. They are paying customers. STR isn't.
That to me, is where the difference of collaboration with no actual say in team management or ownership, no 'fingers in the pie' so to speak, and owning and running a separate entity.
Gotta admit, In Brazil, Vettel had 3 teammates for example. Sauber didn't back off of Ferrari and Force India was bitterly racing McLaren for the lead, taking out Lewis infact.