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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 16:28  
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For comparison here is 2010 February timings. It was mostly wet.


Do you have the 2011 timings ?

No, but I'll see what I can do. It was wet anyway and the times are not very comparable.



well, i am interested in the relationship between the performance in the winter tests and the season results for each team.

but it really seens that being the first in these tests means nothing for the season, as Kimi said this morning.

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 16:32  
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but it really seens that being the first in these tests means nothing for the season, as Kimi said this morning.


Barrichello topped a day at this test last season, so yeah...

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 16:36  
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The main things you get from tests are this:
- Reliability - the more laps the better
- Consistency - look at a driver's longer stint for his lap times over say a 20 lap period
- Grip - a lot of journos go down to T4-5 to see the cars on fast turns and the final turn for braking.

Times aren't meaningless, but the information comes from elsewhere. Testing times usually points towards a vague order (like in 2011 we thought the Red Bull was good and the Virgin c**p), yet in between a lot of it was wrong. Heading to Melbourne, everyone thought McLaren & Mercedes would be at the back...

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 16:39  
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Last season? Nah after the last test people thought Mercedes would be best of the rest behind Red Bull. Looked awful the first two or three tests, but then they put some major new parts on at the final test and looked good. Still, the prediction was wrong. :p

They ran with what they called a basic car or something the first tests, then brought lots of new parts late on. Didn't really work, hence them releasing the car later this season. Can't help but feel it's a bit risky giving them only 8 days running before Melbourne but we'll see.

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 16:42  
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More observations:

- Red Bull has the best car, it has a good package all round, McLaren next best
- Caterham so improved on last season, in pretty much all areas. Plus 139 laps is brilliant, especially when this was their first use of KERS!
- Regardless of the fuel loads, the F2012 looked a handful, understeering...

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 16:47  
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2011 February Jerez timings:

10.02.2011
Code:
Rank Driver             Team          Lap time Laps
1    Michael Schumacher Mercedes      1:20.352 57
2    Felipe Massa       Ferrari       1:20.413 56
3    Mark Webber        Red Bull      1:21.613 46
4    Jenson Button      McLaren       1:21.614 28
5    Sergio Perez       Sauber        1:21.857 45
6    Jaime Alguersuari  Toro Rosso    1:22.019 14
7    Adrian Sutil       Force India   1:22.445 42
8    Pastor Maldonado   Williams      1:22.591 31
9    Vitaly Petrov      Lotus-Renault 1:23.041 30
10   Jarno Trulli       Team-Lotus    1:23.216 35
11   Timo Glock         Virgin        1:25.874 15

11.02.2011
Code:
1    Michael Schumacher Mercedes      1:20.352 112
2    Felipe Massa       Ferrari       1:20.413 116
3    Jenson Button      McLaren       1:21.009 69
4    Jaime Alguersuari  Toro Rosso    1:21.214 72
5    Mark Webber        Red Bull      1:21.613 113
6    Adrian Sutil       Force India   1:21.780 73
7    Sergio Perez       Sauber        1:21.857 56
8    Timo Glock         Virgin        1:22.208 57
9    Vitaly Petrov      Lotus-Renault 1:22.493 65
10   Pastor Maldonado   Williams      1:22.591 37
11   Jarno Trulli       Team Lotus    1:23.216 40

12.02.2011
Code:
1    Nick Heidfeld      Lotus-Renault 1:20.361 86
2    Fernando Alonso    Ferrari       1:20.493 131
3    Michael Schumacher Mercedes      1:21.054 114
4    Lewis Hamilton     McLaren       1:21.099 36
5    Kamui Kobayashi    Sauber        1:21.242 84
6    Sebastian Vettel   Red Bull      1:21.574 98
7    Sebastien Buemi    Toro Rosso    1:21.681 92
8    Heikki Kovalainen  Team Lotus    1:21.711 61
9    Rubens Barrichello Williams      1:22.227 99
10   Paul di Resta      Force India   1:22.945 64
11   Jerome d'Ambrosio  Virgin        1:25.471 72

13.02.2011
Code:
1    Rubens Barrichello Williams      1:19.832 103
2    Kamui Kobayashi    Sauber        1:20.601 86
3    Fernando Alonso    Ferrari       1:21.074 115
4    Sebastien Buemi    Toro Rosso    1:21.213 90
5    Bruno Senna        Lotus-Renault 1:21.400 68
6    Heikki Kovalainen  Team Lotus    1:21.632 43
7    Nico Rosberg       Mercedes      1:22.103 45
8    Sebastian Vettel   Red Bull      1:22.222 90
9    Jenson Button      McLaren       1:22.278 70
10   Jerome d'Ambrosio  Virgin        1:22.985 45
11   Paul di Resta      Force India   1:23.111 99
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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 16:51  
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Caterham has a really good PR department, here are their thoughts on today:

Heikki Kovalainen: “I feel very happy with the work we have completed today. Yesterday we had a problem that was nothing to do with the car so today was our first real day of testing and we had a trouble free day, completing most of what we wanted to on day one and day two and working through a variety of setup changes. We ran on each of the tyre compounds and I’m really starting to get a feel for the car. Basically it’s good news because it confirms what I thought yesterday. This car is a lot better than the 2011 car, it’s quicker and everything works as we want it to. We’ve made very solid progress and I feel really good physically, so I think there’s a lot more to come.”

Mike Gascoyne, Chief Technical Officer: “An excellent day of testing and I want to congratulate Heikki and the whole team for the job we have done today. We ran KERS for the first time and completed everything we had planned with that system, so thank you to Red Bull Technology and Renault Sport F1 for helping make that part of the program run so smoothly.

“Today we were concentrating on the setup program, using long runs to really start understanding what this car can do, so having completed 139 laps we have made a huge amount of progress, particularly compared to last year, and now we have to make sure we keep up this sort of momentum for the rest of the tests.”

Riad Asmat, Caterham Group CEO: “That was the sort of day that makes this job so enjoyable. We were reliable, quick and we learnt a huge amount about the car. Quite a contrast to yesterday when we had to deal with a problem that we had never encountered before, but the team worked very hard and had it all rectified last night. Today we completed more laps than any other team and had no problems at all. That enabled us to make up the ground we lost and give the engineers and the team back at the factory a huge amount of data to work on tonight in preparation for Giedo getting into the car tomorrow. We want more days like this as it is the hard miles we put in now that will put us in the best possible shape for the season ahead.”

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PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 16:52  
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statistically speaking, these results points who will NOT be the world champion... :-D

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
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The cars look bad :confused:

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 17:12  
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Testing pics from day 2:
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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
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Heading to Melbourne, everyone thought McLaren & Mercedes would be at the back...


yes and we thought that Ferrari would have the best car.

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
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This year Jerez is the first pre-season test. Last year and in 2010 Valencia was before Jerez. In 2009 they started testing previous year, November in Barcelona and December in Jerez. So impossible to say what to say about current testing in Jerez. Maybe it is what Phil says:
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The main things you get from tests are this:
- Reliability - the more laps the better
- Consistency - look at a driver's longer stint for his lap times over say a 20 lap period
- Grip - a lot of journos go down to T4-5 to see the cars on fast turns and the final turn for braking.
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The cars look bad :confused:

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But it has "periscope" :cool:
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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 17:20  
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Heading to Melbourne, everyone thought McLaren & Mercedes would be at the back...


yes and we thought that Ferrari would have the best car.


Not me :p I called the season preview 'Catch me if you can' and predicted a year of Vettel dominance :O :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Winter Testing 2012
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 17:24  
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Michael Schumacher keeping expectations in check over new Mercedes F1 car

By Sam Tremayne

Michael Schumacher says he does not necessarily expect Mercedes to build a car capable of challenging for the 2012 Formula 1 championship.

Mercedes is the only frontrunning team - and the only team other than HRT – not to bring its 2012 car to the first pre-season test at Jerez. It will instead run for the first time in the second test at Barcelona in less than a fortnight.

Schumacher, running therefore in a 2011-spec car at Jerez, says it will take time for Mercedes to work its way to the front and it is therefore not realistic to expect its 2012 challenger to be a title candidate.

"I don't think we can realistically achieve a championship car immediately from where we started last year, we have to build our way there," Schumacher explained.

"I am confident we can do that, but let's take it step by step. We work longer on our car, but if this was the only secret we should have shown all the cars later."

Schumacher, who set the pace on the second day of testing at Jerez in the W02, nevertheless backed what he said was a valuable unveiling programme.

"Our programme is done in a way we believe in," he said. "We made some very good work with the new tyres, which are certainly much better for a driver – they are more consistent and a lot closer to what you would expect from a Formula 1 tyre.

"Understanding those tyres was our main focus and we had a programme we did pretty well with."

Asked whether he still believed he could win a record eighth drivers' crown, Schumacher said: "Absolutely. I'm still around to fight for the championship. Whether we can or cannot do that is something to be proven this year - or whenever."


wondering what that "or whenever" means :pray:

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