2012 Formula One Discussion

[Treacle]

Hmmm... interesting. I've always thought of Hamilton as one of the bests, but I'd rather rank him with Vettel, since neither of them sat in a car that was really bad... McLaren had quite a few problems in the last few races, and sure enough, you didn't see Hamilton on the podium.
Anyways, I wouldn't say that Alonso and Hamilton are equal. Right now Fernando is the best driver on the grid (even though sometimes I feel like he really downplays how good the Ferrari is). But that's just my two cents.

[phil1993]

Fernando > Lewis/Sebastian

That's my personal opinion. But it's difficult to look at them now. Fernando has 5 more seasons worth of experience than them. In 20 years time we can look back fully and see who was best.

[donald29]

It does seem like they've formed this kind of anti-Vettel alliance. 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend.'

I think they underestimate Vettel. I get the impression they think they could beat him in the same team, whenever Vettel does well Lewis always says how amazing the Red Bull is. It's not how well Sebastian's done, it's how good the car is. But if they were in the same team, I really think Vettel would surprise them.

[tderias]

Fernando > Lewis/Sebastian

That's my personal opinion. But it's difficult to look at them now. Fernando has 5 more seasons worth of experience than them. In 20 years time we can look back fully and see who was best.

In terms of results and numbers, I have to say in Vettel still has at least 2 more world championships in the future apart from this year's.

I actually rate all three of them equally. Apart from Lewis' recent slump in form, I cannot separate them whatsoever. All of them have great racecraft, qualifying pace, and race pace. I don't think we've ever had a Formula 1 era with such closeness among 3 drivers from 3 different teams.

[F1EA]

Fernando > Vettel > Lewis > Kimi
I say it goes in that order. Don't know where to place Button in the mix...

Vettel is very mature and he just delivers. Maybe not the cleanest... but the guy can come from behind in both races and championships and brushes away adversity. Lewis is more fragile. Fast... but I think not as dependable as Vettel.

The other drivers are probably just trying to play games with Vettel... underestimating him to try and get some mental leverage.

[JoostLamers]

Nyck de Vries is in the new Tooned episode

[phil1993]

Can I have a smug moment and say that for once, a lot of my predictions were actually good!
http://www.f1zone.net/news/season-previ ... ews/12835/

Also, we keep saying consistency is key, but Vettel has 3 non-scores, Alonso has 2 non-scores and Raikkonen 1 non-score. So maybe not so much!

[donald29]

They've been more consistently on the podium or in the top five though.

[F1EA]

Can I have a smug moment and say that for once, a lot of my predictions were actually good!
http://www.f1zone.net/news/season-previ ... ews/12835/

Also, we keep saying consistency is key, but Vettel has 3 non-scores, Alonso has 2 non-scores and Raikkonen 1 non-score. So maybe not so much!

Wow, that's pretty impressive. It's tough to predict, but that's very close.

Consistency matters more for the slower cars; specially with the 25pts per win system. Mclaren and Webber have been hurt by inconsistency...

[Deovann07]

Teams and drivers:

Red Bull Racing (RB8)
1. Sebastian Vettel
2. Mark Webber
Reserve: Sebastien Buemi

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes (MP4-27)
3. Jenson Button
4. Lewis Hamilton
Reserve: Gary Paffett

Scuderia Ferrari (Project 661)
5. Fernando Alonso
6. Felipe Massa
Reserve: Jules Bianchi
Test: Giancarlo Fisichella, Marc Gene, Davide Rigon

Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team (W03)
7. Michael Schumacher
8. Nico Rosberg

Lotus F1 Team (E20)
9. Kimi Raikkonen
10. Romain Grosjean
Reserve: Jerome d'Ambrosio

Sahara Force India F1 Team (VJM05)
11. Paul di Resta
12. Nico Hulkenberg
Reserve: Jules Bianchi

Sauber F1 Team (C31)
14. Kamui Kobayashi
15. Sergio Perez
Reserve: Esteban Gutierrez

Scuderia Toro Rosso (STR7)
16. Daniel Ricciardo
17. Jean Eric Vergne
Reserve: Sebastien Buemi

Williams F1 Team (FW34)
18. Pastor Maldonado
19. Bruno Senna
Reserve: Valtteri Bottas

Caterham F1 Team (CT01)
20. Heikki Kovalainen
21. Vitaly Petrov
Reserve: Giedo van der Garde

HRT F1 Team (F112)
22. Pedro de La Rosa
23. Narain Karthikeyan
Reserve: Dani Clos

Marussia F1 Team (MR01)
24. Timo Glock
25 Charles Pic

Calendar:
18/03 AUS Australia
25/03 MYS Malaysia
15/04 CHN China
22/04 BAH Bahrain
13/05 ESP Spain
27/05 MCO Monaco
10/06 CAN Canada
24/06 EUR Europe
08/07 GBR Great Britain
22/07 DEU Germany
29/07 HUN Hungary
02/09 BEL Belgium
09/09 ITA Italy
23/09 SGP Singapore
07/10 JPN Japan
14/10 KOR Korea
28/10 IND India
04/11 ARE Abu Dhabi
18/11 USA United States
25/11 BRA Brazil

10 years long of waiting Austin race everybody is looking forward on this... I think it will be a mega day...

I'm sure it will bring out the exponential bliss as per the fans expectations.

[Deovann07]

Fernando > Vettel > Lewis > Kimi
I say it goes in that order. Don't know where to place Button in the mix...

Vettel is very mature and he just delivers. Maybe not the cleanest... but the guy can come from behind in both races and championships and brushes away adversity. Lewis is more fragile. Fast... but I think not as dependable as Vettel.

The other drivers are probably just trying to play games with Vettel... underestimating him to try and get some mental leverage.

We don't know Button is known for having a very smooth driving style, i bet for Button to take place for Vettel...
Back when Button had a good performance overtaking Vettel and made Vettel pressured....

[donald29]

Great idea from Force India.

http://www.whyteandmackay.com/forceindi ... -race.aspx

Because you can't have logos of alcoholic drinks in Abu Dhabi Whyte and MacKay are running a competition to have your name on the side of the car! Good bit of publicity.

[KevC]

Red Bull's new trophy room
not sure where they put Webber's though

[T97/30]

It does seem like they've formed this kind of anti-Vettel alliance. 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend.'

I think they underestimate Vettel. I get the impression they think they could beat him in the same team, whenever Vettel does well Lewis always says how amazing the Red Bull is. It's not how well Sebastian's done, it's how good the car is. But if they were in the same team, I really think Vettel would surprise them.

You'll have to excuse me for not having been on the past few days. I've been rather busy!

I agree with what you're saying here although Vettel wouldn't be the first driver to be disregarded in such a manner, due to the fact that he's driving a superior machine. In fact it seems that any driver who races a Newey-designed car even once is instantly regarded as being a driver whose abilities are flattered by the car. For example Mark Webber has been subjected to similar criticism as he never won a race before he joined Red Bull. But memory of man is oh so short, isn't it? Many seem to forget his brilliant qualifying performances in mediocre machinery, earlier in his career (remember his front-row start for Jaguar, Malaysia 2004?). It seems the same people also forget that even then he put in a number great performances during races. Now he's coming closer to the end of his tenure in F1 at least, whoever replaces him at Red Bull will most likely have to bear what I like to call 'The Newey Curse'.

[Deovann07]

THE FORMULA 1 RACE, THIS YEAR’S PREDICTION!

Anybody have also their own prediction? hehehe
I suddenly read this article http://www.f1deals.com/blog/the-formula ... ction.html


need to read more of this.. I'm starting to be curious about prediction for the F1 race... hahah LOL