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2013 - Ground effect & Turbos. Welcome back to the 80s...

Post by phil1993 » 21 Dec 2010, 13:07

:cool:

Proposed changes:
* Much smaller front and rear wings;

* A far greater proportion of the total downforce of the cars will be created by the underfloor, compared to the wings;

* A major reduction in the amount of total downforce created by the car;

* To achieve this, the underfloor of the cars will be shaped along its length to generate downforce for the first time since the 1982 season - currently cars have bottoms that are flat between the wheels;

* The average proportion of a lap that a driver is able to spend on full throttle to be cut from 70% in 2010 to 50% in 2013;

* Tyres will remain large and chunky to ensure cornering speeds remain high.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 307861.stm

Should mean that cars will be trickier to drive and although lap times might be lower, drivers like Hamilton will be throwing the cars around.

Will Buxton reckons it'll be as fun as watching GP2 but with Turbos - Tilke tracks will be mega

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Post by Ali » 21 Dec 2010, 17:36

This is quite interesting. Downforce generated by the bodywork (underbody) will of course create dirty air but as I understand from what they suggest, it won't be as dirty as the one generated by the wings. Those suggestions are brought by Patrick Head and Rory Bryne so they should know what they are talking about. That's good.

"The average proportion of a lap that a driver is able to spend on full throttle to be cut from 70% in 2010 to 50% in 2013"

I think this is not accurately worded. AFAIU, this will be managed by not some arbitrary mechanical ban on throttle but reduced aerodynamic grip, thus the cornering speed which will cause drivers not to go flatout as they did before, like Corpse, Eu Rogue or 130R.

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Post by Mitsuro Sano » 21 Dec 2010, 18:11

The average proportion of a lap that a driver is able to spend on full throttle to be cut from 70% in 2010 to 50% in 2013;.


Exactly like the 80s when ( I think it's in 1986 ) they reduced the capacity of the fuel cell! Maybe we'll see some people like Prost not attacking in the first laps and then going full throtle! Of course, the choicie of the type of tyres were free back then...

I hope the shape of the cars will change too ( front and rear wings ) too be a bit like pre '09!

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Post by mikhailv » 25 Dec 2010, 20:31

phil1993 wrote::cool:

Proposed changes:
* Much smaller front and rear wings;

* A far greater proportion of the total downforce of the cars will be created by the underfloor, compared to the wings;

* A major reduction in the amount of total downforce created by the car;

* To achieve this, the underfloor of the cars will be shaped along its length to generate downforce for the first time since the 1982 season - currently cars have bottoms that are flat between the wheels;

* The average proportion of a lap that a driver is able to spend on full throttle to be cut from 70% in 2010 to 50% in 2013;

* Tyres will remain large and chunky to ensure cornering speeds remain high.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 307861.stm

Should mean that cars will be trickier to drive and although lap times might be lower, drivers like Hamilton will be throwing the cars around.

Will Buxton reckons it'll be as fun as watching GP2 but with Turbos - Tilke tracks will be mega


I wish they would stop f*cking around for gods sake. ''smaller front wings'', they mean the specification we had just two years ago, which was CHANGED to encourage overtaken, only to change BACK!?

Correct me if im wrong, but this underfloor thing, will this be accompanied by the double diffuser which, created so much uproar and is again banned in 2011?

The aero reduction was suppose to come from the fact that all winglets, dumbo wings, devil wings etc were gone and the multi-tier front wings and their complexity. How simple do the want to do? Piece of MDF on the front at a 10 degree angle?

And they want a reduction of downforce, but they are allowing you to shape the floor of the car to CREATE downforce? is that not just taking off one area, giving to another?

Seriously, this is the most stupid idea in the world. We lost the beautiful sounding V10's, we have the semi-hairdryer high pitched sound of the V8's.... KERS makes the cars sound worse when they are bouncing off the limiter (they sound like mopeds sometimes). Theres no deep grunt in the engines no more.

Not bad to say they are cutting costs, theres a major rule change what, every 2 years now? 2009 was a full change, 2010 was full fuel tanks meaning longer cars and this and that IE repositioning of wingmirrors, F-duct (which is now banned), next year its a new tyre regulations and make, along with making way for KERS now, which thanks to the 107% rule and the fact that its reported the new teams from 2010 wont have KERS, will they not qualify in various cases?.

Its getting ridiculous. Just leave it as it is, its been the best year since at least 2006/2007 for racing.

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Post by cheng.damien » 28 Dec 2010, 12:09

phil1993 wrote::cool:

Proposed changes:
* Much smaller front and rear wings;

* A far greater proportion of the total downforce of the cars will be created by the underfloor, compared to the wings;

* A major reduction in the amount of total downforce created by the car;

* To achieve this, the underfloor of the cars will be shaped along its length to generate downforce for the first time since the 1982 season - currently cars have bottoms that are flat between the wheels;

* The average proportion of a lap that a driver is able to spend on full throttle to be cut from 70% in 2010 to 50% in 2013;

* Tyres will remain large and chunky to ensure cornering speeds remain high.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 307861.stm

Should mean that cars will be trickier to drive and although lap times might be lower, drivers like Hamilton will be throwing the cars around.

Will Buxton reckons it'll be as fun as watching GP2 but with Turbos - Tilke tracks will be mega


Sorry, but I feel 1.6l is utter bull.
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Post by iceman1 » 28 Dec 2010, 12:22

So in 2013 when the drivers press the KERS button the cars will still be less powerful than current F1 cars. When the KERS is inactive the cars will be less powerful than a current GP2 :zz:

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Post by Mitsuro Sano » 28 Dec 2010, 18:24

iceman1 wrote:So in 2013 when the drivers press the KERS button the cars will still be less powerful than current F1 cars. When the KERS is inactive the cars will be less powerful than a current GP2 :zz:


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Post by saif » 28 Dec 2010, 19:26

Mitsuro Sano wrote:
iceman1 wrote:So in 2013 when the drivers press the KERS button the cars will still be less powerful than current F1 cars. When the KERS is inactive the cars will be less powerful than a current GP2 :zz:


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Post by phil1993 » 28 Dec 2010, 19:27

Have either of you watched a GP2 race? They're usually brilliant and the F1 cars will still look, sound and be great. Lap times will be similar or even faster than current F1 cars. Remember how we all saw the 2009 cars at the end of 2008 in that test and derided them? Well we're not moaning now. Hopefully they can get rid of the bloody dirty air as thats the main problem. When they didnt have the DDD at the star of 2009, the racing was great.

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Post by SpliT » 28 Dec 2010, 19:34

less powerful + Heavier + propably less downforce = slow car(not a little) :(

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Post by JoostLamers » 28 Dec 2010, 21:51

Back to the Future :lol:

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Post by LiamN » 05 Jan 2011, 13:27

4 cylinder, 1.6 litre engines do not fill me with excitement and never will.

F1.com says the rev limit will 12,000 rpm.

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Post by sdutt » 05 Jan 2011, 17:01

LiamN wrote:4 cylinder, 1.6 litre engines do not fill me with excitement and never will.

F1.com says the rev limit will 12,000 rpm.


Will have to see. Can only hope it gives to some exciting racing, but atm it feels ridiculous
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Post by phil1993 » 05 Jan 2011, 17:03

It won't be that bad but the worst rule is that rev limiters remain. How can you overtake if your top speed is so limited? It just makes absolutely no sense.

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Post by Omegablue » 07 Jan 2011, 11:27

LDM and logic will evantually pressure the FIA to allow V6 turbo charged. Especially since Ferrari and Merc want to use such specs on their road cars. Well, I'm hoping at least...

Then again the same thing was said about the switch from V10 to V8. Yet the V8 very quickly became faster.

Agreed on the kers, and should rather do away with the limiters.

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