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Ferrari's engines

Post by iceman1 » 05 Apr 2010, 15:58

Two engine failures this weekend for Alonso & de la rosa.

According to Willi Rampf stating their cars retired due to engine failure caused by pneumatic problems.

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Ferrari has admitted that it is 'worried' about its reliability in the wake of more engine problems at the Malaysian Grand Prix.

Fernando Alonso lost valuable points when his engine blew-up just a few laps from the end of the Sepang event. And with customer team Sauber having also hit trouble, Ferrari knows it needs to get to the bottom of the problem as quickly as possible.

The events in Sepang were also not the first time that Ferrari has faced engine concerns this season - with the power units on Alonso and Felipe Massa's cars having had to be changed between qualifying and the race in Bahrain.

Team principal Stefano Domenicali reckoned the first three races showed that the F10 had speed, but also that Ferrari needs to get on top of both reliability and the errors that messed up its qualifying performance in Malaysia.

"We are there," he said. "We are competitive, we are strong and we need to make sure that we are on top of the problems. Unfortunately this weekend was the worst weekend in terms of a global result - mainly for two main factors.

"Reliability, which was unfortunately not good enough. But we cannot forget also that the bad result of this weekend was related to qualifying - because when you start from 19th and 21st, to be there is a miracle."

He added: "When we have a problem with reliability it is a worry and we have to make sure we can solve it as soon as possible. We don't know what is exactly the nature of Fernando's engine problem at the moment, and we don't know what is the situation on the Sauber's engines. But what I can say now, as far as the information I have, is that these problems are different.

"This is in a way something that will add another reason to make sure we are on top of the reliability problems on the engine side. More than that at the moment is difficult to say."

Speaking about the lessons learned from the qualifying disaster, Domenicali said: "What happened on Saturday was not acceptable and we discussed it in the team. We don't have to take any risks, even if the other big teams did the same. It is a lesson learned for the group of people. But we need to keep working very, very strongly on the development of the car, because I am expecting the others to do a new step.

"We have a competitive package but it is never enough and we need to make sure that when we bring the new parts onto the track, they will be reliable. The data should be confirmed 100 per cent, because with no testing you need to avoid having analysis of simulation showing that you have good numbers but then what is on the track being different. That is the approach that we need to keep for the next races."

When asked about who he thought had the fastest car, Domenicali said: "I think it is difficult to say for sure. Who has the fastest car after three grands prix? If I had to look from the number point of view, we are leading the championship so we should be fastest. But we know that it is a very optimistic approach and this is not the way that we think.

"We think that, looking at the results of the first three grands prix, Red Bull did three pole positions and they had reliability issues on other occasions. So the Red Bull seems to be the most competitive car. But I don't want to forget that also McLaren seems very good, that is the ranking I see if I had to freeze the situation today."


Ferrari have used 4 different engines so far in each car.

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Post by MavF1 » 05 Apr 2010, 17:17

Well, this won't help their title ambitions this year. They have to get this under control really quik otherwise it'll hurt them in the second half of the season. I really hope Ferrari can fix it, since I really don't want Red Bull to win the championship. My hopes are on McLaren and Ferrari.

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Post by Ferrariman60 » 05 Apr 2010, 22:06

If the engines are frozen in spec, how is Ferrari suddenly having reliability issues? Can it really be down to the added demand put on the engines to push a heavy car around during the first part of the race?
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Post by R.? » 06 Apr 2010, 11:03

Ferrariman60 wrote:If the engines are frozen in spec, how is Ferrari suddenly having reliability issues? Can it really be down to the added demand put on the engines to push a heavy car around during the first part of the race?


Good point, never thought of this. But maybe the engine heavier stressed than last year, with all the extra weight. But on the other hand, that counts for all the engines, not only Ferrari. And it seems Ferrari has a serious reliability problem. In Bahrain both engines were changes, as was Alonso's in Australia, I believe. It will cost them big points.

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Post by iceman1 » 08 Apr 2010, 17:43

Ferrari are blaming the ECU for the problem with Sauber's engines.

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Post by phil1993 » 08 Apr 2010, 17:44

Haha, thats it, just blame McLaren :p

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Post by megasyxx » 08 Apr 2010, 17:45

it's ecu made by mclaren right?...... sabotage? :n :O :hug:
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Post by Ferrariman60 » 19 Apr 2010, 02:50

This engine issue is quite troubling. I think Ferrari said that the failures in Bahrain and Malaysia were unrelated parts of the engine. Does it stand to reason then that Ferrari has got a fundamental structural problem with the engine? If so I still wonder why it hadn't shown up all thorugh 2006-2009 if the engines are frozen in spec...
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Post by megasyxx » 19 Apr 2010, 12:55

ferrari has had numerous engine problems spanning 2006-2009......they seem to have reliable engines without the so-called "engine freeze". on the flip side, mercedes have unreliable engines then, but seem to have reliable ones during this time of engine freeze.
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Post by blizzard » 19 Apr 2010, 15:37

In fact it´s the ECU. Ferrari didn´t have engine problems when they were allowed to use a Magneti-Marelli ECU. The Microsoft ECU just doesn´t harmonize with the Ferrari engine.

It´s rubbish anyway to have a standard ECU in F1. Standard diffusor would save much more money and wouldn´t bring reliability issues to certain teams.
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Post by megasyxx » 19 Apr 2010, 15:42

i see...thnx for that bit of info blizzard. the ECU probably is the culprit here > both for ferrari and mclaren :D
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Post by iceman1 » 23 Apr 2010, 16:44

Ferrari seeking engine tweak permission?
YallaF1 wrote: Ferrari may ask the FIA for permission to make changes to its formula one engine on the grounds of reliability.

Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport magazine on Thursday said the Italian team’s recent engine problems – including two failures for Fernando Alonso – have been identified.

Reportedly, the problem – which could cost Alonso grid places later this season if he runs through his allocation of eight engines – is with the pneumatic valves.

The report said too much air is escaping from the engine during the races, and because of the new regulations there is not enough time during the single pitstop to replenish the 2.4 litre V8s.

Auto Motor und Sport said that if Ferrari can prove to the FIA that the engine is suffering a general reliability flaw, it may be granted a temporary exemption from the ‘freeze’ on engine development.

The engines already used by Alonso and his teammate Felipe Massa, however, may not be altered.

Ferrari will show the list of exact modifications required to FIA, same way Renault did, and FIA will decide whether these changes are reliability related or performance related.

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iceman1 wrote:Ferrari seeking engine tweak permission?
YallaF1 wrote: Ferrari may ask the FIA for permission to make changes to its formula one engine on the grounds of reliability.

Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport magazine on Thursday said the Italian team’s recent engine problems – including two failures for Fernando Alonso – have been identified.

Reportedly, the problem – which could cost Alonso grid places later this season if he runs through his allocation of eight engines – is with the pneumatic valves.

The report said too much air is escaping from the engine during the races, and because of the new regulations there is not enough time during the single pitstop to replenish the 2.4 litre V8s.

Auto Motor und Sport said that if Ferrari can prove to the FIA that the engine is suffering a general reliability flaw, it may be granted a temporary exemption from the ‘freeze’ on engine development.

The engines already used by Alonso and his teammate Felipe Massa, however, may not be altered.

Ferrari will show the list of exact modifications required to FIA, same way Renault did, and FIA will decide whether these changes are reliability related or performance related.



Ferrari in 800 hp "engine-cheat-shocker"
it is then :lol:

On a serious note: Why didn´t they identify these problems in the 8000 miles of preseason testing?
Luca Marmorini joined them from Toyota this winter right? Oh dear oh dear... Gilles Simon was better, although the best engine man was Paolo Martinelli, his engines were bulletproof in the early noughties.
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Post by apple » 27 Apr 2010, 09:37

blizzard wrote:
iceman1 wrote:Ferrari seeking engine tweak permission?
YallaF1 wrote: Ferrari may ask the FIA for permission to make changes to its formula one engine on the grounds of reliability.

Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport magazine on Thursday said the Italian team’s recent engine problems – including two failures for Fernando Alonso – have been identified.

Reportedly, the problem – which could cost Alonso grid places later this season if he runs through his allocation of eight engines – is with the pneumatic valves.

The report said too much air is escaping from the engine during the races, and because of the new regulations there is not enough time during the single pitstop to replenish the 2.4 litre V8s.

Auto Motor und Sport said that if Ferrari can prove to the FIA that the engine is suffering a general reliability flaw, it may be granted a temporary exemption from the ‘freeze’ on engine development.

The engines already used by Alonso and his teammate Felipe Massa, however, may not be altered.

Ferrari will show the list of exact modifications required to FIA, same way Renault did, and FIA will decide whether these changes are reliability related or performance related.



Ferrari in 800 hp "engine-cheat-shocker"
it is then :lol:

On a serious note: Why didn´t they identify these problems in the 8000 miles of preseason testing?
Luca Marmorini joined them from Toyota this winter right? Oh dear oh dear... Gilles Simon was better, although the best engine man was Paolo Martinelli, his engines were bulletproof in the early noughties.

TS says Toro Rosso has same engines than Sauber and Ferrari. Is it true? Then why not their engines hasnt blown up like the other two? This indicates the engine is fitted differently to Toro Rosso.
TS speculates FIA is giving the permission to make the changes and actually they are doing it already at their factory.
They are going to get engines checked by FIA after they have made the changes.

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Post by R.? » 27 Apr 2010, 16:56

Strange if they get permission. Their engines have always been one of the best of the racetrack, since the engine freez. How come they now have problems, while they were quite reliable during the last couple of seasons?

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