Comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
Comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
Most striking differences – similarities between the F10 and F60
1.Livery change . The black colored parts in F60 , like bargeboards turned into white for F10 , alongside with the formerly red coloured front and rear wings .
2.Nose cone shape
3.The nose camera winglets are now attached on the nose pillars , instead of the nose sides
4.The nose pillars are now vertical instead of inclined forward
5.Front wing
6.Airbox inlet shape and size
7.The cockpit side protection is extended higher towards the rear . Moreover a small triangular fin is attached on either side of the cockpit just in front of the side impact crash structure .
8.Sidepods shape
9.The KERS cooling hole is gone for F10 , alongside with its outlet .
10.Floor under nose
11.Sidepod panels
12.Engine cover
13.Exhausts
14.Hot air exits
15.Rear wing
16.Diffuser
17.No wheel rim shields for 2010
18.Narrower front tyres due to new regulations
It seems to me that the F10 is not a new car but rather a heavily modified F60 with a new nose , rear end , DD Diffuser and a longer wheelbase probably due to the larger fuel cell .
The launch spec F10 was equipped with a front wing directly copied from the last races of the 2009 season , besides secrets should be kept hided . Nevertheless the team had a modified front wing during the three days test at Valencia .
Not only the front wing was inherited by the F60 but the rear wing also.Probably the F10 would have new or modified wings at Australia.
The nose cone of the F10 is higher , slimmer at its tip , more boxy and features a U-shaped upper raised section pioneered by Red Bull last year and already tested by the F60 . The nose pillars are vertical and the camera winglets are now attached on them instead of the nose sides .
Ferrari seems to have abandoned the sculpted floor concept under the nose because the new F10 features a simpler floor with vertical raised extremities , similar to the one featured by Mc Laren MP4/24 and Red Bull RB5 in 2009 .
The F10 chassis features a more roundy airbox with a larger inlet because it is now mounted higher from the driver’s helmet to suffer less negative air turbulence from it . In order to maintain its opening large enough its width is increased while its overall opening height was decreased .
The sidepod ‘s bottoms still remain very sculpted (in order to decrease drag and improve the airflow towards the rear of the car ) but they look very alike to the modified F60’s one’s , firstly presented at Spanish 2009 GP . That seems quite logical having in mind the new larger tank fitted inside the sidepods , but the whole design looks conservative compared to other 2010 cars and we should not forget the extra space gained by the KERS units removal from the car .
The most striking differences though are the exhausts placement closer to the centre of the car , the sidepod’s rear end and the absence of the KERS cooling hole .
The overall sidepod inlets size was decreased a little and the rear view mirrors remain mounted away from the cockpit zone . From this view angle we can observe the raised upper outer section of the sidepods . This sidepod hump creates a minor air channel on the top of the sidepods between the hump and the cockpit protection side which guides the air flow towards the rear wing more effectively . Similar humps were presented by Williams FW31 during winter pre 2009 season testing and going even back in the past by Benetton B194 in 1994 and Ferrari F399 in 1999 .
How conservative is the Ferrari team’s sidepod design approach is also reflected by those humps , as instead of lowering the inner upper parts to create the air channel the team just preferred to simply raise the outer upper part giving the wrong impression that the car is actually increased in internal volume .
1.Livery change . The black colored parts in F60 , like bargeboards turned into white for F10 , alongside with the formerly red coloured front and rear wings .
2.Nose cone shape
3.The nose camera winglets are now attached on the nose pillars , instead of the nose sides
4.The nose pillars are now vertical instead of inclined forward
5.Front wing
6.Airbox inlet shape and size
7.The cockpit side protection is extended higher towards the rear . Moreover a small triangular fin is attached on either side of the cockpit just in front of the side impact crash structure .
8.Sidepods shape
9.The KERS cooling hole is gone for F10 , alongside with its outlet .
10.Floor under nose
11.Sidepod panels
12.Engine cover
13.Exhausts
14.Hot air exits
15.Rear wing
16.Diffuser
17.No wheel rim shields for 2010
18.Narrower front tyres due to new regulations
It seems to me that the F10 is not a new car but rather a heavily modified F60 with a new nose , rear end , DD Diffuser and a longer wheelbase probably due to the larger fuel cell .
The launch spec F10 was equipped with a front wing directly copied from the last races of the 2009 season , besides secrets should be kept hided . Nevertheless the team had a modified front wing during the three days test at Valencia .
Not only the front wing was inherited by the F60 but the rear wing also.Probably the F10 would have new or modified wings at Australia.
The nose cone of the F10 is higher , slimmer at its tip , more boxy and features a U-shaped upper raised section pioneered by Red Bull last year and already tested by the F60 . The nose pillars are vertical and the camera winglets are now attached on them instead of the nose sides .
Ferrari seems to have abandoned the sculpted floor concept under the nose because the new F10 features a simpler floor with vertical raised extremities , similar to the one featured by Mc Laren MP4/24 and Red Bull RB5 in 2009 .
The F10 chassis features a more roundy airbox with a larger inlet because it is now mounted higher from the driver’s helmet to suffer less negative air turbulence from it . In order to maintain its opening large enough its width is increased while its overall opening height was decreased .
The sidepod ‘s bottoms still remain very sculpted (in order to decrease drag and improve the airflow towards the rear of the car ) but they look very alike to the modified F60’s one’s , firstly presented at Spanish 2009 GP . That seems quite logical having in mind the new larger tank fitted inside the sidepods , but the whole design looks conservative compared to other 2010 cars and we should not forget the extra space gained by the KERS units removal from the car .
The most striking differences though are the exhausts placement closer to the centre of the car , the sidepod’s rear end and the absence of the KERS cooling hole .
The overall sidepod inlets size was decreased a little and the rear view mirrors remain mounted away from the cockpit zone . From this view angle we can observe the raised upper outer section of the sidepods . This sidepod hump creates a minor air channel on the top of the sidepods between the hump and the cockpit protection side which guides the air flow towards the rear wing more effectively . Similar humps were presented by Williams FW31 during winter pre 2009 season testing and going even back in the past by Benetton B194 in 1994 and Ferrari F399 in 1999 .
How conservative is the Ferrari team’s sidepod design approach is also reflected by those humps , as instead of lowering the inner upper parts to create the air channel the team just preferred to simply raise the outer upper part giving the wrong impression that the car is actually increased in internal volume .
Last edited by bar555 on 16 Mar 2010, 07:06, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
great job by both of you. it is very exhaustive analysis and precise too
Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
Thanks , a second part of the article will follow soon .....
Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
very good job best technical article
Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
Amazing comparison!
Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
Great Job. Went into each detail. Really loved it. Would like to see mor eof this stuff. I know its not easy but all depends if u guys have time. For me these things are always repsected & appreciated.
Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
Awesome. They actually have a car design that I like for once. Lol.
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
That very good. Seems this year the teams are keeping the rear hidden - hiding their diffuser. I think it was the beeb had a pic of Webber putting his helmet to cover the rear of the red bull during testing. I think that the diffusor is the key part this year again!
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The front side impact crash structure remains uncovered for the F10 , just like the F60 , but two triangular fins were added on each side of the cockpit , just in front of the crash structure .
Apart from the wheel fairing absence , it is interesting to observe that the wheel nut has been increased now in size .
They look very similar to the ones used by the F60 during the last 2009 races . The only striking difference between the two configurations is the number of the mounting elements , reduced to one in F10 from two in F60 .
Not only the exhausts pipes are blowing closer to the centre of the car to permit a more slim rear end but the whole exhaust system seems to be refined in order to offer a more compact body design and a cleaner airflow towards the rear wing .
To make such a configuration possible the mechanics placed the exhaust pipes inclined backwards and closer to the centre of the car . I assume this may intense the heating problems and maybe that’s why the F10 features large hot air exiting cuts at the rear. This idea is not new as it was already used in F2005 and Sauber C24 in 2005 .
The F60 features a small cut where the engine cover meats the rear suspension covering , a similar approach was chosen for the F60 during the first races of the 2009 season . The F60 cooling needs depended greatly by the track conditions and through the 2009 season many different types of cuts for aiding cooling were presented . The F10 even features large hot air exits at the rear , like F60 ( pre and after Spain opening type ) but now they seem to be a bit larger .
The F10 ‘s diffuser has a completely new central part , resembling to a Triple Deck one , with three large main centre openings .It is though amazing how large is the third upper opening . Apart from this , the side parts are not altered dramatically , featuring a single vertical element . The new nose cone was possibly designed to feed better the new TDD .
Apart from the wheel fairing absence , it is interesting to observe that the wheel nut has been increased now in size .
They look very similar to the ones used by the F60 during the last 2009 races . The only striking difference between the two configurations is the number of the mounting elements , reduced to one in F10 from two in F60 .
Not only the exhausts pipes are blowing closer to the centre of the car to permit a more slim rear end but the whole exhaust system seems to be refined in order to offer a more compact body design and a cleaner airflow towards the rear wing .
To make such a configuration possible the mechanics placed the exhaust pipes inclined backwards and closer to the centre of the car . I assume this may intense the heating problems and maybe that’s why the F10 features large hot air exiting cuts at the rear. This idea is not new as it was already used in F2005 and Sauber C24 in 2005 .
The F60 features a small cut where the engine cover meats the rear suspension covering , a similar approach was chosen for the F60 during the first races of the 2009 season . The F60 cooling needs depended greatly by the track conditions and through the 2009 season many different types of cuts for aiding cooling were presented . The F10 even features large hot air exits at the rear , like F60 ( pre and after Spain opening type ) but now they seem to be a bit larger .
The F10 ‘s diffuser has a completely new central part , resembling to a Triple Deck one , with three large main centre openings .It is though amazing how large is the third upper opening . Apart from this , the side parts are not altered dramatically , featuring a single vertical element . The new nose cone was possibly designed to feed better the new TDD .
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Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
another great comparison. you have gone into the intricate details of the car, which is very good
Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
Is very interesting how the F10 resemble the F60, but why Ferrari stop the development on the F60 to start working in the F10 if both are practically the same. I was expecting a whole different car.
The best balance is when power and handling crash together, then the car is perfect!
The best racing line is when you crash all lines into one!
The best racing line is when you crash all lines into one!
Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
arcken71 wrote:Is very interesting how the F10 resemble the F60, but why Ferrari stop the development on the F60 to start working in the F10 if both are practically the same. I was expecting a whole different car.
it is a bit surprising as you said, but still there are quite a few differences too. but as has always been known, big teams are less efficient in financial expenditures.
btw, welcome to the forum arcken71
Re: Photo comparion between the Ferrari F10 & F60
Some minor changes have taken place also to the suspension arm and upper wishbone joint to the nose .
Ferrari prefered to stick to the push rod rear suspension type for the F10 instead of following the pull rod one presented by Red Bull RB5 , thus the rear end of the car remaines significantly high but not as high as that of F60 ( take look how sculpted is the F10 suspension’s carbon covering )
Ferrari prefered to stick to the push rod rear suspension type for the F10 instead of following the pull rod one presented by Red Bull RB5 , thus the rear end of the car remaines significantly high but not as high as that of F60 ( take look how sculpted is the F10 suspension’s carbon covering )
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Great Comparison, Thank you Bar.
Are you going to post a comparison between the MP4-25 and MP4-24 ?
Are you going to post a comparison between the MP4-25 and MP4-24 ?
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