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Did the new rules fail?
Yes - They didn´t fulfill their promise 76%  76%  [ 19 ]
No - They definitely improved F1 24%  24%  [ 6 ]
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 Post subject: Re: Did the new rules fail? Yes or no - Your opinion
PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 00:00  
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Well, the new rules did provoke a big change in the traditional grid order of the teams, so that is a positive. However, movable wings haven't really been used by anyone, KERS has only been used as a joker (I'd love to see everyone with it, and much more boost to it), and the cars don't seem to be able to follow any closer this year than in previous years. I like the cleaner look of the cars (it's nice to see fewer sprouts on the cars, like eyes on an old potato), but the narrow rear wings and large front wings look awful, and ineffective. The return of slicks? It's nice to have more traditional racing cars instead of the artificial grooved tires. Of course, I don't really have any solutions to the overall problems with F1 which these rules were developed to tackle...
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 Post subject: Re: Did the new rules fail? Yes or no - Your opinion
PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 02:29  
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OMG how can people says new rules fail???

Because this season is the most boring season since dinosaurs walked the earth.
Totopupu wrote:
This season was better than 2008, 2007 and 2006.

2008, 2007, 2006 was better because it had exciting races.
Totopupu wrote:
At all gp, the "better car" were one time in front, and other time behind on the grid.

Still didn't produce good racing.
Totopupu wrote:
The number of overtaking is not worst and not better.

The number of overtaking moves is lower than ever.
Totopupu wrote:
The KERS was a brilliant idea. The start of the race are amazing.

KERS creates fake, unnatural racing.
Totopupu wrote:
It was the 1st time unlucky drivers were having the chance to be 1st.

The "unlucky drivers" generally don't have the talent to win under equal circumstances
Totopupu wrote:
And it was the 1st time lucky guys were driving bad cars.

The "lucky guys" are the best drivers in Formula 1.
Totopupu wrote:
Also, we can have seen Alonso, Kimi, Massa, Lewis position with bad cars.

And they have all driven rubbish cars very well.
Totopupu wrote:
And, few races were under rain but many dry races were amazing like spa, monza, silverstone, australia, malaysia (when it was dry), Nurburgring.

And several dry races were very boring like Monaco, Turkey and Japan.
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Now Quali are interesting to watch because all cars are having near the same level.

Now Quali is just crazy and difficult to follow.

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The new rules failed.
EPIC FAILED.

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 Post subject: Re: Did the new rules fail? Yes or no - Your opinion
PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 08:27  
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for me its and improve becuase in almost every track nobody knows who its going to win almost force india win a gp ( las t year its only ferrari and mclaren in all tracks). About overtaking its not working at all..

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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 09:12  
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Yes and no.

Short answer (lectures start soon) is that yes and no - it made the season more unpredictable, but it ultimately failed to improve F1's excitement value, and reduced the number of good races.

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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 09:20  
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Yes it failed ... thanks to KERS , thanks to DDD ... as some1 before said , ugly cars and less overtakings .

In general the cars look is going from best to worst , they had few years ago the double rear wing or the wing that was split in two which failed then they came with the current style , small rear wing bigger front wing and u get more overtaking chances , they added KERS that not all teams use or benifit from it cause its heavy and teams that developed it still having lot of problems till this race like what happend with Lewis in the last 2 races , of course it improved some teams chances but it thrown overtaking chances , then Brawn came with the idea of DDD , tho red bull was doing a good job for a few races and they proved that DDD is not a major problem for the car to be fast they came back to add it at Monaco .. i guess we need the F1 cars to have the older rules , remove the engine freeze and let the competition begin

PS : Ban Kers p10x :p
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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 09:21  
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well you cant say the rules didnt work because we did not have close racing, it is because the teams are so close to each other.
next year wit budget capping it will be more boring..
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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 09:50  
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Yes it failed ... thanks to KERS , thanks to DDD ... as some1 before said , ugly cars and less overtakings .

In general the cars look is going from best to worst , they had few years ago the double rear wing or the wing that was split in two which failed then they came with the current style , small rear wing bigger front wing and u get more overtaking chances , they added KERS that not all teams use or benifit from it cause its heavy and teams that developed it still having lot of problems till this race like what happend with Lewis in the last 2 races , of course it improved some teams chances but it thrown overtaking chances , then Brawn came with the idea of DDD , tho red bull was doing a good job for a few races and they proved that DDD is not a major problem for the car to be fast they came back to add it at Monaco .. i guess we need the F1 cars to have the older rules , remove the engine freeze and let the competition begin

PS : Ban Kers p10x :p


Yes! Revert to an older Formula (anywhere from 1991-2004 would work for me) and get rid of all technical restrictions except the 2009 safety standards with the chassis construction and the open wheel layout.

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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 14:32  
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Some interesting ideas and opinions posted.

I think apart from car design another problem these days are the tracks.
All those 3nd and 4rd gear corners are really a problem for overtaking, because in the dirty air you can´t follow closely. And another problem is that a lot of tracks especially the Tielke tracks lack a decent straight at all.

Ove the years the best solution to enable overtaking seems to be a long straight followed by a hairpin or vice versa, like the Adelaide hairpin at Magny Cours or the hairpin followed by the long straight at Montreal.

In my oppinion it´s not only the cars which are a problem for overtaking.

If we would run 1970´s cars on todays tracks, I think there wouldn´t be too much overtaking at the front.
But if we would run todays cars on 1970´s tracks, I think we could see a lot more action than on todays circuits.

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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 16:23  
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OMG how can people says new rules fail???

Because this season is the most boring season since dinosaurs walked the earth.
Totopupu wrote:
This season was better than 2008, 2007 and 2006.

2008, 2007, 2006 was better because it had exciting races.


lol cformula1, are you joking? Or do you watch F1 since March 2009?

This season was as exciting as 2008 and better than 2007.
2007 was a "normal" season.

In 2007, the best races ON DRY were had the level of worst races of this year.
Australia, Bahrein, Malaysia, Hungria, Monza, Monaco and Turkey in 2007 were very boring races. Only wet races were good, except for silverstone.

And in 2009, Australia, Bahrein, Malaysia (dry part), Hungria, Monza, and Turkey were (very) better than in 2007.
Spa was also better than in 2007.

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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 16:28  
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OMG how can people says new rules fail???

Because this season is the most boring season since dinosaurs walked the earth.


And I forget to ask if you watched 2002 season??

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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 16:29  
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Oh dear.

2008 was one of the best seasons ever, so 2009 was always going to have a hard time living up to expectations, but the new rules HAVE NOT worked - we have less overtaking. And 2007 was pretty good! We had great races, tension and there was lots of overtaking

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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 16:31  
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OMG how can people says new rules fail???

Because this season is the most boring season since dinosaurs walked the earth.


And I forget to ask if you watched 2002 season??


Oh god that was a dull dull year. I think 2009 has been on par with 2004 in terms of entertainment, although for the first ever year I'd say Quali has been better than the race

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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 16:35  
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Totopupu wrote:
This season was as exciting as 2008 and better than 2007

:roll::

In 2007, with 2 rounds to go we had:
- A massive shunt ! (Robert Kubica @ montreal)
- Some great battles (remember Alonso vs. Massa :cool:)
- RAIN-DRY-RAIN-DRY (remember European GP 2007 :p )
- Team controversies (McLaren) who all turned out in great battles aswell
...

in 2009 then, with 2 rounds to go we had:
- A massive shunt
- No great battles
- Boring races
- No team controversies (except team-orders :zz: )
...


RATING;
2007 - 8/10 Season
2009 - 2/10 Season
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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 19:11  
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Tom Vandenhove wrote:
Totopupu wrote:
This season was as exciting as 2008 and better than 2007

:roll::

In 2007, with 2 rounds to go we had:
- A massive shunt ! (Robert Kubica @ montreal)
- Some great battles (remember Alonso vs. Massa :cool:)
- RAIN-DRY-RAIN-DRY (remember European GP 2007 :p )
- Team controversies (McLaren) who all turned out in great battles aswell
...

in 2009 then, with 2 rounds to go we had:
- A massive shunt
- No great battles
- Boring races
- No team controversies (except team-orders :zz: )
...


RATING;
2007 - 8/10 Season
2009 - 2/10 Season


Add 09 season had more drivers changing or actually drivers kicked out of teams to allow others to show their low-performance :p and lot of other things ... oh sure add the FIA gifting everyone penalties for nothing :p

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Tho there was a race with having half points which rarely happens but its an old rule
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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2009, 19:26  
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Tom Vandenhove wrote:
Totopupu wrote:
This season was as exciting as 2008 and better than 2007

:roll::

In 2007, with 2 rounds to go we had:
- A massive shunt ! (Robert Kubica @ montreal)
- Some great battles (remember Alonso vs. Massa :cool:)
- RAIN-DRY-RAIN-DRY (remember European GP 2007 :p )
- Team controversies (McLaren) who all turned out in great battles aswell
...

in 2009 then, with 2 rounds to go we had:
- A massive shunt
- No great battles
- Boring races
- No team controversies (except team-orders :zz: )
...


RATING;
2007 - 8/10 Season
2009 - 2/10 Season

to 2009 add:
More drivers and teams winning,
Every team struggling at at least one race
Every team strong at at least one race
Half points provided for first time since 2003
Cheating scandal, crash scandal, and lots of penalties.

The only reason 2009 is boring is because all the cars are so close and it is the track which determines their position relative to the other cars.
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