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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by mikhailv » 19 Sep 2009, 16:48

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Totopupu wrote:I have one problem with this crashgate : why all F1 fans says Briatore is a "bad" man?

At the end of 2008, Carlos Ghosn was wanting to see Renault leave F1. Carlos said that Renault wasnt competitive.
He said also that if Renault was wanting to stay in F1 , they must make good results.

Imagin if Briatore havent give a win to renault in singapour : Carlos ghosn would have announce that Renault leave F1.

But Briatore is a great man and with this crashgate, he has save the renault F1 team.

Now, Renault will have an exclusion from the constructor championship of 2009 and a small money penalty (1 million dollar maybe). So, Renault will stay in F1 in 2010.

Renault guys and fans can say thanks to briatore


That's crazy, with that McLaren rubbish you were spouting off you'll believe any conspiracy theory. You probably think Elvis is still alive.


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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by phil1993 » 19 Sep 2009, 17:06

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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by Totopupu » 19 Sep 2009, 17:10

That's crazy, with that McLaren rubbish you were spouting off you'll believe any conspiracy theory. You probably think Elvis is still alive.


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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by impatientinventor » 19 Sep 2009, 17:12

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At what point does quitting the sport make it a moot point on banning them from comming back? If Pete Rose had kept hsi mouth shut and left the sport would he still be banned from the sport? YES!!! I'm sorry to say it but we need to accept that Renault needs to be kicked out of the sport right now... no questions... no excuses... just flat out banned. Let all the mechanics, engineers and marketing people that are then banned from the sport sue Flavio, Symonds and the Jr/Sr fortune for their choices which should have SEVERE repurcussions.

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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by TwistedArmco » 19 Sep 2009, 18:48

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Post by phil1993 » 19 Sep 2009, 18:59

Right, lets get back on topic.

The hearing is on Monday, so do we wanna start predicting what penalties will be dished out?

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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by Fergie1 » 19 Sep 2009, 19:59

I would simply like to see as your location suggests, a complete points removal from 1994.

Seriously though, I think a fine and the constructors points stripped would be what I want to see. But I fear they will strip the victory from Alonso or even kick Renault out.

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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by TwistedArmco » 19 Sep 2009, 20:08

Fergie1 wrote:I would simply like to see as your location suggests, a complete points removal from 1994.

Seriously though, I think a fine and the constructors points stripped would be what I want to see. But I fear they will strip the victory from Alonso or even kick Renault out.



They can't. You can't alter results from the year before or any time before that.

As for Renault, I wouldn't blink if Renault were banned from the sport in name (not the mechanics or tech staff, except Flav and Pat) and the BMW Sauber rescue team were allowed in, because that would be just. You play silly buggers with results, you get your hands burnt. I don't think I could support them as a team again after this, even though it wasn't technically Renault's fault as a company. But Pat Symonds and Flavio WERE Renault at that point, and it would just be weird not to feel any bad feeling about them.
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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by Totopupu » 19 Sep 2009, 20:32

Flavio is finally a great businessman. he has save reanult from leaving F1 in 2008 and Renault will now stay in F1 for many years
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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by Zack » 19 Sep 2009, 20:47

TwistedArmco wrote:They can't. You can't alter results from the year before or any time before that.

As for Renault, I wouldn't blink if Renault were banned from the sport in name (not the mechanics or tech staff, except Flav and Pat) and the BMW Sauber rescue team were allowed in, because that would be just. You play silly buggers with results, you get your hands burnt. I don't think I could support them as a team again after this, even though it wasn't technically Renault's fault as a company. But Pat Symonds and Flavio WERE Renault at that point, and it would just be weird not to feel any bad feeling about them.

Every company responsible for employees behavior .. so Renault is at fault any way. Seriously , i don't think fans will suddenly stop supporting them , unless someone is highly ethical :lol:

Totopupu wrote:Flavio is finally a great businessman. he has save reanult from leaving F1 in 2008 and Renault will now stay in F1 for many years

Yes he did(or supported?) but in wrong and harmful way :E

People won't stop buying Renault Road cars :zz:

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If yes, will it affect 2008 WDC ?

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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by impatientinventor » 19 Sep 2009, 22:12

Zack wrote:If Pq snr claims are true then ?
If yes, Why didn't Max Mosley started this during budget-cap-gate ?
If yes, will it affect 2008 WDC ?

Pq snr's claims will not be contested so they are entered into the record as fact and treated as such...
Because he is potlitically smart... The end of the season under the cloud of Renault cheating, Honda backs out... The sport wouldn't be the same... It would be even worse.
No the 2008 WDC will remain the same... They would never stip someone of a title after the fact unless there was a direct tie of that person to the fraud... Like they should have in '83.

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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by iceman1 » 20 Sep 2009, 06:40

Alonso's in the clear:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 840760.ece

Gracia: Piquet should not have immunity

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78732

Carlos Gracia, the head of the Spanish motorsport federation, has criticised the FIA for granting immunity to Nelson Piquet Jr in the Renault race-fixing case. Although Renault remains liable to sanctions from the governing body when it appears before the World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Monday, Piquet was given immunity from any punishment when he agreed to make a statement to the FIA about events in last year's Singapore Grand Prix.

Gracia believes Piquet is equally culpable in the affair and should also face the hearing.

"This kid, if it was up to me, wouldn't be allowed to walk blind people on the sidewalk," Gracia told Spanish radio station Onda Cero. "It's such yobbish behaviour from which he has also benefited, because, like he says in his sworn statement, he did it so he would get a contract renewal for 2009, and he will be paid until the end of the year.

"In that case this is a person should not only be sanctioned by the Council and the FIA, but he should also be prosecuted in an ordinary court.

"I found out through the press that Mr Nelsinho was going to get immunity. It would be a total shamelessness if this happened in the FIA."

He also criticised Piquet's triple world champion Nelson Piquet Senior's handling of the scandal, and the younger Piquet's performances at Renault.

"He is a silly kid who doesn't know if he has pushed the throttle or not, because it's no coincidence that he's had 17 accidents since he's been at Renault," said Gracia.

"The father has an uncontrollable kid and he is a resentful parent. And when they turn the fan on, they try to get the s**t to hit as many people as possible."

But despite his outspoken comments about the Piquet family, Gracia thinks it is correct that Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds left their positions at the Renault team.

"Renault is a very serious company," he said. "It's a company that has been in the world of motorsport for many years, without any kind of immorality, and if the immorality was caused because of those two gentlemen, then it's a good thing that they are out of Formula 1.

"Because be it Flavio Briatore, as big as his name is, or be it the engineer, what's clear is that we don't want these people in Formula 1."

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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by phil1993 » 20 Sep 2009, 06:43

Or is he?

FIA summons Alonso to appear before the World Council

Posted on | September 20, 2009 | by James Allen

Fernando Alonso, the driver who benefitted most from Nelson Piquet’s deliberate accident in Singapore last year, has been summoned by the FIA to give evidence to the World Council on Monday.

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According to Gazzetta dello Sport, former team principal Flavio Briatore has also been summoned, but not Pat Symonds, whom the FIA investigators found to be centrally involved in the conspiracy. Symonds is believed to be on holiday in Spain.

Both men have left the team and Briatore is thus under no compulsion to attend and is unlikely to do so. Whether he does or he doesn’t there is a feeling that he is likely to be banned from attending the pits and paddock at motor races in the future, which would make his life difficult in terms of the driver management company he runs and with GP2, of which he is one of the main architects.

A ban from the FIA might also disqualify him from holding on to the chairmanship of Queens Park Rangers under Football League rules.

As it seeks to get to the bottom of how this situation was allowed to develop, it’s likely that the FIA will look into whether a team principal should be allowed also to be a driver manager, especially of drivers in his team. They may find that the compromising position this put his driver Nelson Piquet Jr in was a contributing factor to the accident plot happening.

Although he delegates much of the responsibility for looking after Mark Webber, Heikki Kovalainen and others, Briatore has a big hand in advising his drivers and a very good eye for a move.

Alonso has no choice but to attend the hearing as the holder of an FIA superlicence. Although the FIA investigators drew the conclusion that he had no knowledge of the plot, the World Council will ask him about it, but Gazzetta suggests that the risk for him is that he will be under pressure to answer questions relating to this and possibly other incidents in the past with the aim of condemning Briatore.

Ferrari has a seat on the World Council and has apparently decided not to attend. It’s a delicate situation for the team, as Luca di Montezemolo would not want to be put in the position of being part of the firing squad against his staunch FOTA ally Briatore.

Meanwhile Spanish motorsport figurehead Carlos Gracia has said that the FIA was wrong to offer Piquet immunity from prosecution, something which the majority of readers of this blog seem to believe,

“This kid, if it was up to me, wouldn’t be allowed to walk blind people on the sidewalk,” Gracia said on Spanish radio. “It’s such yobbish behaviour from which he has also benefited, because, like he says in his sworn statement, he did it so he would get a contract renewal for 2009, and he will be paid until the end of the year. In that case this is a person should not only be sanctioned by the Council and the FIA, but he should also be prosecuted in an ordinary court.

“I found out through the press that Mr Nelsinho was going to get immunity. It would be a total shamelessness if this happened in the FIA.”

Gracia is part of Jean Todt’s ticket for FIA president, he was announced recently as a Vice president for sport.

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Re: Renault Race Fixing - *Briatore, Symonds leave*

Post by iceman1 » 20 Sep 2009, 07:35

Flavio's still Having fun

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Post by amoljoshi » 20 Sep 2009, 09:10

iceman1 wrote:Flavio's still Having fun

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