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 Post subject: Re: Renault under investigation
PostPosted: 11 Sep 2009, 11:00  
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Flavio Briatore wrote a letter to Piquet Sr just a couple of days after the FIA were given the “new information”. The letter includes:
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“I am outraged that you could think that I myself, not mentioning your son and the other people in the Renault’s Team, could have any part in such a strategy that may constitute a criminal offense.

“Secondly, I am forced to consider that your threat constitutes without doubt a blatant attempt of exerting blackmail against Renault F1 and myself to extort an illegitimate advantage by way of threats and outrageous lies on the basis of an alleged hear-say.”


Renault have now begun criminal action against the Piquet’s. The team issued the following statement today:
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The ING Renault F1 Team and its Managing Director Flavio Briatore personally, wish to state that they have commenced criminal proceedings against Nelson Piquet Junior and Nelson Piquet Senior in France concerning the making of false allegations and a related attempt to blackmail the team into allowing Mr Piquet Jnr to drive for the remainder of the 2009 season. The matter will also be referred to the Police in the UK.
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 Post subject: Re: Renault under investigation
PostPosted: 11 Sep 2009, 13:05  
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Q. In the McLaren case in 2007 after the Hungary incident and Fernando Alonso contacting you, you sent a letter to the drivers promising immunity if they provided evidence. Has any promise be made to Nelson Piquet on a similar basis for his co-operation?

MM: Yes. We have said to him that, and I don't know exactly how it was phrased, but he has been told that if he tells us the truth then he will not be proceeded against individually. It is exactly the same as it was for Alonso.

Q. But it is not too late after 12 months to discover something that people suspected at the time?

MM: It is like, in the real world, fraud goes on forever. If you cheat the tax man normally, if you don't declare your money, it is three or six years – there is a limitation. But if you are fraudulent, it goes on forever. What we cannot do is we cannot interfere with the results of the championship, or indeed of that race, because of Article 179B of the International Sporting Code. On the 30th November the championship is finished, whatever. But of course if someone has done something they should not do, they can still get a penalty. So it is open.

Q. What could be the penalty if they guilty?

MM: It could be anything up to disqualification. Because that's what's set out in the code. Disqualification means you are out, finished.

Q. From the 2008 championship?

MM: Out. Total. Exclusion forever, gone, finished. That's the worst that could happen, but don't for a moment get the impression I'm saying that would happen or will happen. That is the worst that could happen.

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Im sorry, but why the hell does piquet have FULL immunity!?

If a team asks you crash and you do it, your ASBAD or WORSE than the team who asks, because you OBLIGE!

If renault are guilty, which its not looking good, WHY isnt piquet being punished as well!? You dont jump off a bridge because your told to do you. so why is he given immunity?

This has really wound me up, and, its starting to become like McLaren at the beginning of the year. Maybe the fanboys werent so wrong to suggest that the whole plan was to rid one of the looneys- ron dennis. Maybe spanky is trying to get rid of briatore too. It wouldnt surprise me.

But now, its become a joke.
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PostPosted: 11 Sep 2009, 16:07  
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Im sorry, but why the hell does piquet have FULL immunity!?

If a team asks you crash and you do it, your ASBAD or WORSE than the team who asks, because you OBLIGE!

If renault are guilty, which its not looking good, WHY isnt piquet being punished as well!? You dont jump off a bridge because your told to do you. so why is he given immunity?

This has really wound me up, and, its starting to become like McLaren at the beginning of the year. Maybe the fanboys werent so wrong to suggest that the whole plan was to rid one of the looneys- ron dennis. Maybe spanky is trying to get rid of briatore too. It wouldnt surprise me.

But now, its become a joke.


Mosley is planning his last vendetta before stepping down from FIA presidency. Remember the time when FOTA were planning on a new series, MM mentioned Flavio wants to be the new Bernie and take control of Formula 1 commercial revenue.

Flavio run !! Fire in the mountain run run run ....
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PostPosted: 11 Sep 2009, 17:00  
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Giving Piquet immunity when they very possibly blackmailed Renault is silly, I wonder if Mosley's successot will reverse this. I personally don't believe Renault did this, there are too many variables in an F1 race and the people Renault aren't stupid enough to do this.
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Q & A with Flavio Briatore

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Q: Is this the biggest crisis you have been involved in in your whole life, because there are huge allegations at stake here - some of which have been aimed at your personally?

Flavio Briatore: I hope it is not against me personally, because the fact is that we put a plan today in the criminal court in Paris against the two Piquets. The fact that we put a plan for blackmail [action] against the two Piquets, means I think we are very confident that the truth will come out.

Q. But blackmail is a very serious charge to make against somebody?

FB: We have enough confidence, and our lawyers – myself and Renault – we have confidence about this happening.

Q. Can you confirm the nature of the blackmail – is it true that Piquet Sr. approached you that he would go to the FIA with evidence if you did not reward his son with a new contract?

FB: You know what. I don't think it is correct today to confirm what is the plan to be put against the Piquets. I think it is enough, I tell you, if myself and Renault decide to put the criminal plans to the two Piquets in the high court of Paris, I think that is enough. I don't want to comment why – or prove it. If we have done it, it is because we have enough confidence – about 80 percent of confidence.

Q. So why have you only started speaking publicly about the matter today, which is a fortnight since the allegations were first aired?

FB: When we have this inquisition from the FIA, they asked for us not to speak to anybody. We sent a statement that we are working with our solicitors, and lawyers, for all the evidence we have. It is not simple as Renault to put plans against blackmail for somebody. We had a meeting with Renault, we saw all the evidence we had and after we decide, after three or four days, we were ready. I think what we tried to do was to be ready with those plans.

We are sure that we have enough evidence to put the plans to the two Piquets in the criminal court. We also needed the authorisation as well of Renault, as they are not a little company. You need to go through there, maybe somebody was not there as they were travelling. We tried to do everything that was possible to achieve the solution. Now we have done it.

Q. Can we talk about some of the specifics? Nelson had said there was a meeting on the Sunday of Singapore with you and Pat Symonds where you discussed a deliberate safety car, that Pat took him to one side to show him where to crash on the circuit, and that after the race you said 'thank you' to him. Can you talk about that? Did he just make this all up?

FB: If, if, we put the plans for blackmail [action] against somebody then it is because I don't want to talk about the specifics. The fact that we put the criminal plans to the Piquets is because I don't want to go into the specifics as it is part of the World Motor Sport Council.

If you see my statement, and I don't think it is out already! I don't think it is out, but if you read my statement it is very clear that I answered all the questions. I don't know if it will be out tomorrow, I don't know if it is coming out! I don't think my statement will be leaked.

Q. Did a meeting take place?

FB: I have put everything into my statement.

Q. Did that meeting occur?

FB: I have answered all these questions. I was very clear in Spa. The FIA have my statement, and it's quite clear.

Q. Will this case go through the courts before the FIA WMSC meeting?

FB: I'm not sure about that. I don't know the speed of the criminal court.

Q. Are you confident you will win the case on September 21?

FB: It's not a question of confidence, it's a question of presenting our case, our defence. I feel really upset, really sad. What you have seen with the leak, everything was against Renault. Wherever it has come, it has caused big damage to Renault, and the members of Renault.

It's not just me and the drivers, it's the 500 to 600 people working for Renault, and making Renault think of not being part of this world any more.

Q. Why do you think Nelson Piquet crashed deliberately?

FB: Nelson has crashed 17 times.

Q. Why did you give him a drive for another year if he was so bad?

FB: I didn't have anybody else. I had an option to take Nelson after the 30th of September, and I didn't take it.

Q. What are your feelings towards Nelson and his father at the moment?

FB: I feel Nelsinho is a very spoiled guy. Every time he is racing it is because he owns the team as well. He is very fragile. We tried everything. What you want is only performance.

Q. But if he is so spoiled, why did you take him on as his manager?

FB: Nelson's father asked me to take him. It was quite simple, and he had had a good season in GP2. Him and Hamilton were pretty much together.

If you look at his first year, he was second in Germany, and he was all right in his first year. But I know only in Brazil, that Fernando was ready for us because we were still negotiating between Ferrari, etc, etc. I had in mind to put Romain in the car, but I believed he was too young. This is no secret.

In 2008 Nelson was making 1.5 million dollars a year. I renewed the contract at one million. I put the clause in the contract that if he is not performing he would be out in Germany. If somebody had done me a favour I would have done something different.

Q. During these difficult times for the team, has there been any moment when you have thought about resigning?

FB: We already had a difficult time after the race in Budapest. We didn't believe it was fair what the stewards did to us because it was a normal accident. It happens all the time.

So what happened in Budapest was really hard for us. We wouldn't have let the driver go if the tyre was not on properly. To be disqualified for the race in Spain, there was a lot of bad press for Renault. It was already very hard for Renault. We spent all of August preparing to defend ourselves for the appeal. We won the appeal, but it was very unfair what happened to Renault.

Q. Have you ever heard of a team issuing an instruction to a driver to crash?

FB: No. Never. Fernando only won the race because Massa had a problem, Kubica had a problem. There were six or seven problems.

I think Barrichello stopped in the same place as Piquet. What is possible on lap 14, with 40 laps to go, to determine somebody winning the race. There was another pit stop, another safety car. On lap 14, how is it possible to know what is going to happen? What is possible that on lap 14 you know what is going on?.

Q. The stakes here are very high though, aren't they. You could be banned from F1 because of this?

FB: You know what, I don't need to look for a new job. I am pretty much happy for what I am and I'm not looking for a salary.

Q. But you've got big ambitions in F1?

FB: I don't think so that I have that big ambitions. What I decide to do in Formula 1 is try with FOTA to put straight Formula 1 and make sure everything is clear, everything is correct. The deal that we signed with FOTA...

Q. Are you worried that they might throw you out?

FB: This is not happening....I don't want to do any comment about that because let's see what happens. I think you see my statement. I know already what the judgement of the stewards in this situation that we have already, what is my position.

Q. How much is bad press damaging the reputation of Renault and affecting the team going forward?

FB: The bad press I think was completely unfair - some leaks in the press to accuse somebody before they had the possibility to defend themselves. I think this is really not honest, this is really damaging and this really takes the sport in dispute [sic]. We probably don't know where it's coming from, but this takes the sport in dispute [sic] because at the moment it is the accusation about Renault with no possibility for us to defend ourselves, because we respect our word to the FIA.

We don't want to do any comment and all the comment is around you guys, seeing what is leaked in the press. I don't want to put any comment. I just put, this is making damage for Renault and puts the image of Formula 1 and the sport in dispute [sic].

All these things, if there is an allegation then you go to the World Council and you discuss in the World Council. You don't need to discuss in front of the public opinion and put 500 people working for the team in this kind of danger.

Q. Do you think someone is trying to discredit you?

FB: You know what? Whatever happens, if someone goes against the rules, they go against the rules. If I tell you to go rob a bank – afterwards, you decide whether to rob the bank or not. I don't feel I have any responsibility, and we don't feel we have done absolutely anything [wrong]. In the case of Piquet we go to the World Council. But the fact already that we have put a criminal plan to Piquet is because we have enough confidence to be successful - the team and myself.

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 Post subject: Re: Renault under investigation
PostPosted: 12 Sep 2009, 03:18  
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I think Briatore,Symonds and both drivers are involved in the collaboration, but on top of Piquet Jr spilling the beans, this might also be an FIA-led political move to get rid of Briatore once and for all.
Very weird that it has happened now, almost one year after the race and at the end of Mosley's tenure.
Better that Mosley exits the FIA as soon as possible, this man is very dangerous for the long-term future of the sport.
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Shoot Max and Flavio. Problem solved.

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 Post subject: Re: Renault under investigation
PostPosted: 12 Sep 2009, 08:01  
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as per Symonds , it was Piquet himself who suggested it

For me this stament means tha Symonds know about it also means the conversation before the race happen.

for me its clear renault as a team work to make this crash and its guilty.

becuase at that time piquet was part of renault and the bosses allow to do this crash and know about it

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 Post subject: Re: Renault under investigation
PostPosted: 12 Sep 2009, 08:04  
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When you look at the crash again, it did happen in a place where a SC was guaranteed and it seems an odd place to crash: the way he spun and kept his foot in it suggests that Piquet is telling the truth, but something tells me that although Flavio might have agreed, Pat Symonds seems too nice to do this sort of thing... I still don't know who is telling the truth, but Piquet doesnt realise that many teams will not want a tell-tale on their team...

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PostPosted: 12 Sep 2009, 08:09  
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Personally, I simply think this conspiracy theory is bollocks.
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 Post subject: Re: Renault under investigation
PostPosted: 12 Sep 2009, 08:15  
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I know, but the FIA are 102 people who know little about F1 and look at FACTS FACTS FACTS so something tells me that Renault might get bollocked even if they're really in the clear... At the moment I'm split 70-30 over who to believe... but I trust Renault more than Piquet - unless it was discussed, Renault rubbished the idea, then Piquet knew what lap it was and crashed by himself, in the hope of being a help but the team didnt want him to do that.

The fact that Alonso chose such a strange strategy just makes it a little odd... The RBRs also pitted, but only when they saw Piquet's crash and pitted before the pit lane was declared closed.

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PostPosted: 12 Sep 2009, 08:26  
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 Post subject: Re: Renault under investigation
PostPosted: 12 Sep 2009, 08:36  
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:lol:

But in all seriousness, we need an OB video of Piquet's crash...

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