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 Post subject: Lie-Gate - McLaren handed 3-race suspended penalty - Updated
PostPosted: 09 Apr 2009, 10:30  
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Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone thinks McLaren could face a ban from races after being summoned to appear before FIA's World Motor Sport Council for lying to stewards.

McLaren is to face the FIA's WMSC in the week after the Bahrain Grand Prix to answer charges that the team deliberately misled race stewards about Jarno Trulli overtaking Lewis Hamilton behind the safety car at the Australian Grand Prix, and forced Hamilton to lie too.

Although there are a range of sentences available to the FIA, which could be as little as an official reprimand, Ecclestone has not ruled out the possibility of McLaren being suspended.

Speaking to The Daily Express, Ecclestone said: "We need to investigate closer what went on. It is about stealing a point and a place but those are worth money so basically it is fraud, although I am sure it started off more innocently without thought of the consequences.

"There are many options open if the charge sticks and it would be a terrible thing if any team were banned from races. But it could happen.

"It is not so long ago that McLaren were in front of the Council and it is never good for anyone if you are back in court quickly for something similar."

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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2009, 16:53  
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tbh, I think McLaren deserve at least another massive fine/points removed. Even though they are my favourite team bar none, cheating shouldn't be allowed in F1. Spygate had a sort of lack of evidence but this doesn't at all.
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I m afraid that Mercedes may exit :fear:

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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2009, 17:16  
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no they won't but according to Haug they are reviewing their relationship with McLaren.

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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2009, 17:21  
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Hamilton, Ryan refused to change story

Lewis Hamilton and McLaren's former sporting director Dave Ryan refused to change their story about having deliberately let Jarno Trulli through at the Australian Grand Prix, despite being played radio conversations and media interviews that suggested the contrary in their second stewards' hearing at Sepang.

This week's AUTOSPORT reveals that Hamilton and Ryan maintained their stance in that second hearing that Trulli had taken it upon himself to overtake the McLaren in the closing stages of the Melbourne race, even though the stewards presented them with fresh evidence to say they were lying.

In the first detailed account of the stewards' hearings that have resulted in McLaren being called before the FIA's World Motor Sport Council, AUTOSPORT reports that Ryan and Hamilton stuck to their original story when recalled for the second hearing.

An FIA source told AUTOSPORT: "First of all, Lewis heard the radio exchange. It appeared that the strategy was to be extremely vague and not be very direct with the answers. Then the interview where he said, 'I was told to let him through' was played.

"At that point they both got very uncomfortable, but still denied that's what had actually happened.

"It was a bit surreal, this situation where you had the radio evidence and the interview, and they were putting a completely different interpretation on what the words actually meant. But the words were very, very clear."

FIA race director Charlie Whiting has also revealed that Hamilton denied more than once in the original hearing in Australia that he had let Trulli pass him.

Whiting said: "When asked very clearly, 'Did you consciously let him past, did you pull over to let him past', he [Hamilton] said, 'No'. The question was asked more than once. He was adamant that he hadn't slowed down and hadn't let Trulli past."

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If Hamilton decides to quit from McLaren -which is very likely nowadays- McLaren would get hurt enormously. I hope McLaren won't be excluded from 2009 and only get two or three race ban.

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 Post subject: Re: Lie-Gate - McLaren to receive another penalty?
PostPosted: 09 Apr 2009, 21:02  
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Explain me sth... Why they are talking only about McLaren? What about Hamilton?

Do you believe in his story that he was told to lie, and he didn't know what he was doing? If it is the truth, Hamilton admits to have no own opinion... Couldn't he think for a secound and say: "Wait a minute... The story which I am supposed to say is not true! Maybe I should say what happend instead of lying?"

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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2009, 21:24  
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They won't punish Hamilton, he is left alone after his apologies, they confimerd that already. I hope it'll only be a warning, or a fine. But I expect they will be banned for 2 races or so, maybe 1... This is just another way they can punish McLaren, this is just a continuation of the 2007 spy-gate.. Hate this way of the FIA's work

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but his explaination? "I always do what team orders me to, and I never think about it..." It's just funny! So, if team orders Hamilton to burry himself alive, will he?

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Majkel wrote:
but his explaination? "I always do what team orders me to, and I never think about it..." It's just funny! So, if team orders Hamilton to burry himself alive, will he?

Keep it real please :zz:

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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2009, 21:45  
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Mercedes was debating even before lie-gate came up if they would continue their partner ship with McLaren... this might be something to make them want to leave now

as for Hamilton it could be just as harmful to stay as it would be to leave.... he might be now considered damaged good's
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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2009, 22:01  
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joostlamers wrote:
Majkel wrote:
but his explaination? "I always do what team orders me to, and I never think about it..." It's just funny! So, if team orders Hamilton to burry himself alive, will he?

Keep it real please :zz:

that was just extreme example ;) You still didn't answer my question... For me, Hamilton's explaination seems to be exactly the same as the 7-year-old child would give... ;o immature behaviour!

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 Post subject: Re: Lie-Gate - McLaren to receive another penalty?
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I’m grateful to one of my readers, doctorvee, for posting a very interesting comment here on the JA on F1 site. He highlights an interview which McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh gave to the BBC at the end of the Australian Grand Prix.

“…there’s some debate about whether it’s a 3rd place at the moment given that Trulli fell off and re-passed under the Safety Car…

[Ted Kravitz asks him to expand on this.]

…At the end, under the Safety Car, Trulli fell off onto the grass and Lewis had no choice but to go past him. He was not on the racing circuit. Trulli then re-took the place under the Safety Car, which ordinarily you wouldn’t do.

I know that the FIA are looking at it at the moment and doubtless we’ll have a ruling in due course.”

doctorvee adds: “Martin Whitmarsh was not asked if there were any radio conversations. But he chose to omit this information regardless. The BBC’s viewers were left with the impression that Jarno Trulli had passed Lewis Hamilton of his own accord, not having been invited to do so. This version of events is very similar to the one we are led to understand was relayed to the stewards.

This would seem to suggest that very soon after the end of the race, a version of events — the official McLaren party line, as it were — was constructed. This is the version of events that Martin Whitmarsh gave to Ted Kravitz and the BBC’s viewers. “

His conclusion from all this is that the line presented by Davy Ryan in the stewards room was the team’s party line, not the act of a ‘rogue employee’, as it is now being presented. The significance of this is that the FIA WMSC will seek to analyse the degree to which others in the team were involved.

Whitmarsh shows that he is eager to secure the third place. But the word ‘ordinarily’ is the one that catches my eye here, it shows that a degree of reflection is taking place, but also that there may be extenuating circumstances. It almost invites a sub clause in brackets, such as …(unless invited to do so…)

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 Post subject: Re: Lie-Gate - McLaren to receive another penalty?
PostPosted: 10 Apr 2009, 08:47  
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The biggest loser out of this would be Kovy, he's just stayed quiet, haven't heard anything about him except when he retired from the AGP and MGP. Seriously, if McLaren get a two/three race ban, i will seriously fell sorry for him, just because of Dave and Hammy

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 Post subject: Re: Lie-Gate - McLaren to receive another penalty?
PostPosted: 10 Apr 2009, 09:01  
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No offence Phil, but can everyone stop using the word "gate" when headlining a scandal??? Can't we use something else??? Also McLaren won't be banned, McLaren and Lewis are too big commercially to be got rid of. I'll be astonished if they receive more than a fine.
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