Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

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Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by AzShadow » 12 Dec 2008, 14:26

Here's the full list of changes:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72459

Since the changes will be somewhat massive I thought we could have a own topic for them.

I have a comment on a few of them:
2009

Unanimous agreement was reached on a list of proposed changes to the Renault engine for 2009; all other engines will remain unchanged. Comparative testing will not be necessary.

No in-season testing except during race weekend during scheduled practice.
Surely it will save money, but this means that there will definitely be some differences between the engines and somebody might complain about them again. Also, banning in-season testing and restricting wind tunnel use will likely shift focus to simulators and this will drastically change the whole car development as the teams don't have a chance to get on-track experience before the race anymore.
2010

Engines will be available to the independent teams for less than €5 million per team per season. These will either come from an independent supplier or be supplied by the manufacturer teams backed by guarantees of continuity. If an independent supplier, the deal will be signed no later than 20 December 2008.

Ban on tyre warmers.

Ban on refueling.

Possible reduction in race distance or duration (proposal to follow market research).
So there will be no requirement for standard engines. The manufacturers will probably try to supply the independent teams with their engines.

But the biggest change is that the whole race could change as refueling will be banned and the race duration might be shortened. I have to admit that there aren't many races which are exciting for the full 1,5-2 hours so I wouldn't mind if they could make the race shorter and more exciting.

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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by syncmaster » 12 Dec 2008, 15:42

2009 is ok...

2010 is very strange.No refuelling???? that means teams should now have a large tank and mileage of the fuel is very important.And reduced race duration is awful.i think 2010 F1 will be boring with only 18 cars and very typical rules.Its becoming A1GP type of races
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Post by AzShadow » 12 Dec 2008, 15:59

Another interesting note is that they're pondering about a standard KERS for 2010. It would mean that all the millions spent to their own KERS for 2009 will be wasted. And they were supposed to cut costs...? It was quite the same in 2005 with the tyre rules too.
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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by phil1993 » 12 Dec 2008, 16:41

I think with race lengths there should be a lap distance set as now but to aim for time rather than mileage - like Singapore was 61 laps but 1hr 50 - too long and italy is only 1hr 15 as the track is so fast. say every race should start the formation lap at a few minutes to the hour, race start at the hour and finish at 1hr 30 later, like now - theres nothing wrong - if the race was shortened in 08 - we would not have had the epic Spa or Brazil finale.

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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by iceman1 » 12 Dec 2008, 17:13

The ban on refuelling and tyre warmers are good , but why to make races shorter ?

No more in-season testing during the season , so if you start with a bad car you'll stick with it during the whole season

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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by syncmaster » 12 Dec 2008, 17:23

The cost of one season will be less when compared to cost which is paid to the drivers :laugh1: ....

2011 or 2012 only one designer for all the teams Adrian Newey :n....Then there will be rise in the teams as every rich person can buy a team then their will be meetings for road widening :laugh1:
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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by AzShadow » 12 Dec 2008, 17:23

Race weekend

Manpower to be reduced by means of a number of measures, including sharing information on tyres and fuel to eliminate the need for "spotters".
Refueling will be banned in 2010 anyway so it doesn't matter then but in 2009 the teams would share their fuel strategies...? :tired:
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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by iceman1 » 12 Dec 2008, 17:45

I think we should ban Bernie and Max from refueling. Then maybe they’ll expire of starvation and the sport can get back to the business of being a sport :p

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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by hannibal_rising » 12 Dec 2008, 17:51

Refueling add emotion to a race, and make strategy an important piece of the season... If they are worried about the quali (no light cars to catch the pole), so they should limit and control the fuel during the quali, but not for the race.
And shorter races?..mmmm... I don't know... I don't want to pay a lot of money to see a short race. It may be better for the TV... but if you go to the races, it's a bad news. Many people may not go anymore to see the races if the tickets cost as much as now.
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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by phil1993 » 12 Dec 2008, 17:57

yeah, I agree - it turns it into GP2. F1 is a cut above the rest and races need to be a certain length (90 mins) and if its bad for TV then they shouldnt have 1 hour pre race "chat". at least there are no standard engines or gearboxes

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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by syncmaster » 12 Dec 2008, 18:04

hannibal_rising wrote:Refueling add emotion to a race, and make strategy an important piece of the season... If they are worried about the quali (no light cars to catch the pole), so they should the fuel during the quali, but not for the race.
And shorter races?..mmmm... I don't know... I don't want to pay a lot of money to see a short race. It may be better for the TV... but if you go to the races, it's a bad news. Many people may not go anymore to see the races if the tickets cost as much as now.
Yes their should cost cuttings in price of the tickets.And its waste of 60 min build up for a small race
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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by swca92 » 12 Dec 2008, 22:32

Shortening races is a bad idea.F1 is a test of speed and endurance and shortening races would mean there would be hardly any mechanical faliures and cars would easily finish races.And that's considering the amazing reliability we have in F1 already.I don't believe the "Market research" think they've added on there.Market research to the FIA probably means asking those in the corporate boxes or asking sponsors who don't give a damn about the sport apart from getting their logo on a car.Banning refuelling is good if tyre wear becomes an issue in F1 again,because tyre wear has become nearly irrelevant the last few years.In the 80's and early 90's,tyres made races.How many races did Prost win through conserving and managing his tyres the best???

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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by HandoZiZle » 13 Dec 2008, 00:07

No tyre warmer eh??? The teams will just spend a huge amount of money to somehow heat the tire without a tyre warmer. Maybe heating the hell out of the garage :laugh1:
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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by iceman1 » 13 Dec 2008, 11:52

Maybe in 2017 the FIA will be dictating what kind of fabric the teams clothing should be made of :p

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Re: Official rule changes for 2009 and 2010

Post by blizzard » 13 Dec 2008, 12:34

Banning refuelling is the best idea the FIA had since Max Mosley is their president! I hope they stick to their word. Reducing the race distance on the other hand is absolute c**p.
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