Medals to decide championship?

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Which system would you prefer?

Medals for podium places
2
3%
Points as it is now (10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1)
19
32%
Points this way (12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1)
32
54%
Other (please tell us)
6
10%
 
Total votes: 59

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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by premier » 03 Feb 2009, 20:39

f1anatic wrote:There was nothing wrong with the 10-6-4-3-2-1 system. Nothing. Really it worked beautifully.

Abslolutly, but FIA changed that point system to stop Schu from winning championships in the middle of the season.
I don't know any other motor sport that don't use point system. It can be good or bad, but aways points. Medals are for athletes!

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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by Fr0ZzZeN » 03 Feb 2009, 20:49

Yep, always keep the points. 10-6-4-3-2-1 was okay but was difficult for lower teams to get into the points. Especially in seasons like 1998 where Ferrari and McLaren would take positions 1-4. I like the 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1, the only change I would make would be to have a win counting for 12 points
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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by simon91 » 04 Feb 2009, 14:41

I've voted for 12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1, too. In my opinion, the best points system until now was the one they used between 1961 an 1990, so 30 years: 9-6-4-3-2-1. But I am aware of the problem with 6 cars only finishing in the points. It would result in Ferrari/McLaren taking the firts four slots and normally BMW takes the other two places. So we need eight drivers to score points.

That would be just perfect.

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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by donald29 » 04 Feb 2009, 18:54

You need the gap between 1st and 2nd to be greater than 2 points.

It's not good when you have seasons like 2003, where Kimi Raikkonen won just one race, but Michael Schumacher won five but had just two more points.

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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by AzShadow » 05 Mar 2009, 15:14

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73562 wrote:FOTA calls for points system overhaul

The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) has called for an immediate change to the world championship's points system.

Under proposals announced by FOTA at its press conference in Geneva today, the points for a race win would rise from 10 to 12, with nine points for second and seven for third.

Positions four to eight would continue to score in the current 5-4-3-2-1 manner.

McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh said the move was required because feedback from FOTA's global audience survey asked for a greater gap between the points for first and second places to encourage drivers not to settle for points finishes rather than wins.

"Audiences desire greater championship recognition for race winners and our proposal is to offer greater rewards for the race winner," said Whitmarsh.

The recommendations must be approved by the FIA's World Motor Sport Council before they can be adopted for 2009.

"These proposals will be submitted to the FIA WMSC and we seek their support in their endorsement," Whitmarsh said.

So the point system would be, if FIA accepts it, 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1. The winner gets three points more than the 2nd instead of just two. At least it's something.
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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by why so serious » 05 Mar 2009, 18:45

AzShadow wrote:So the point system would be, if FIA accepts it, 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1. The winner gets three points more than the 2nd instead of just two. At least it's something.

Let me translate this:

Teams: "We want to do something to encourage drivers for race wins because it's expected from us but we also don't want to abondon the opportunity to have the luxury of chasing the leader to the finish line by not risking the race and thus grapping as much points as the leader. So, let's increase the difference just 1 point."

It's what we called hypocrisy. If they had really wanted to spice up the races and improve the spectacle, then they should have done 12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1. This critical 1 point difference for the 2nd place between those two point system is the evident of the underlined sentence I wrote above.

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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by AzShadow » 05 Mar 2009, 22:56

They did make the last podium place a bit more important too as the difference between 3rd and 4th will be two points instead of just one. Even the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 system had only one point difference. I guess FOTA has to make lots of compromises so that the smaller teams who get the least points would be satisfied too.
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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by metalhead188 » 16 Mar 2009, 17:12

12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 will allow the best driver to win the championship not the one who can run in 3rd place week in and week out... if a driver cant win then they dont deserve to be a world champion

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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by AzShadow » 16 Mar 2009, 18:13

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73735 wrote:FIA to vote on revised points system

The FIA is to vote on a revised points structure for Formula 1 at a meeting of its World Motor Sport Council tomorrow, autosport.com has learned, with radical cost-cutting measures also due to be unveiled.

A proposal unveiled by the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) to change the current points structure to a new system that rewards more for winning - broken down 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 – has been officially put forward to the FIA for consideration.

The WMSC will now look at the document and take a vote on whether or not to adopt it for 2009.

FOTA has put forward the idea for changing the points system as the result of a market research survey it conducted with F1 fans. McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh, who heads up the sporting group of FOTA, said that it was vital that followers of the sport were listened to.

"What we felt within FOTA was having conducted a very thorough survey of audience views and advice, we shouldn't ignore it," he said. "There were people who felt status quo was the best thing but I think what swung it was the opinion of the audience.

"We, as FOTA, have unanimously agreed that is what we want to see introduced this year. We now have to work with the commercial rights holder and with the FIA and seek their endorsement of that proposal."
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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by phil1993 » 16 Mar 2009, 18:16

Early as 2009? Thats interesting...

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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by metalhead188 » 16 Mar 2009, 19:01

that would be cool.... i hope it does pass

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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by AzShadow » 16 Mar 2009, 20:09

phil1993 wrote:Early as 2009? Thats interesting...

That's what the teams have wanted all along. FIA's usually kind of slow with these things, but since all teams are behind the new system I don't see why it wouldn't be implemented.
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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by why so serious » 17 Mar 2009, 14:09

Bernie's proposal was accepted in today's WMSC meeting. That is, Wins to decide world champion in 2009. Constructor's Championship will not be affected.

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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by alex1369 » 17 Mar 2009, 14:16

f... u bernie ecclestone with ur f....n medals, u are ruining the sport, leave f1 for god sake, u old man who talks bull..., u are ill u old mann u are out of ur mind -- u live on mars

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Re: Medals to decide championship?

Post by alex1369 » 17 Mar 2009, 14:22

that is soo stupid, most wins make the champion, what about other teams like f india wich will probaply never win -- stupid bernie always thinks about top teams, helooo bernie there are 20 carn not 6 u idiot -- im so pissed of with the wins system -- its so stupid, every motorsport in the world has points system -- what a f....n idiot -- montoya would say...

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