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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)
PostPosted: 14 Mar 2009, 09:05  
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Alonso claims that Honda had been working on this 2009 cars since 2007 .

Massa Tested slicks in april at barcelona and he ran 1:18.339 with 19,000 rpm and 2008 aero , Rubens did 1:18.926 in a car with less then ~35% downforce from last year and 18,000 rpm runs.

very scary :zz:
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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)
PostPosted: 14 Mar 2009, 11:51  
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The car may be underweight as that is legal in testing but its still amazing. I think that the pace is genuine - once they knew about the new rules and that their 07 car was c**p, they thought the best thing would be to develop a car for 2009 capapble of being the best rather than focus on 2008 when they would unlikely be good. I think they may end up 3rd this year. seriously.

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)
PostPosted: 14 Mar 2009, 12:55  
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According to James Allen's blog(I'd recommend this blog to all btw) a Honda engineer last season told the other team's engineers they'd have the best car for 2009,and everyone laughed.Also shows how Honda foisting on the team that Japanese fella destroyed the 07 and 08 cars,without him they look near-certainties to at the least win a race,and possibly win the championship.
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Honda must have been really desperate to leave f1 then to ditch all of their hard work and money that went into this season's car. it would be great for ross brawn and the rest of the team to score more points this season than the previous two combined :)

On james allen, he seems a great journalist and very knowlegdeable when he's writing words down, but on the evidence of some of his commentary, not when speaking them

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At this moment, the quickest on the track is Rubens Barrichello on Brawn BGP001 (1'20"124).
Alonso had a heavy crash due to a suspension failure this morning. Luckily he's unhurt.

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At this moment, the quickest on the track is Rubens Barrichello on Brawn BGP001 (1'20"124).
Alonso had a heavy crash due to a suspension failure this morning. Luckily he's unhurt.

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Jerez - 15/03/2009

Up-to-date results:

01. Rubens Barrichello - Brawn GP - 01'19''808 - 69 laps
02. Nico Hulkenberg - Williams - 01'20''013 - 42 laps
03. Fernando Alonso - Renault - no time - 04 laps

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McLaren on their problems, they're working and working...
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McLaren has admitted for the first time that its MP4-24 car is simply not yet fast enough and isn't ready to fight for wins, just two weeks before the new season starts in Australia.

The Woking-based squad, which last year won the drivers’ world title with Lewis Hamilton, perennially vies for Formula 1’s top honours with Ferrari and had appeared to have adapted well to the sport's technical overhaul for 2009 following the initial pre-season tests.

But this week the team slumped to the bottom of the timesheets at the final major test of the winter in Barcelona, with Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen each propping up the order on one day apiece some two seconds off the pace.

This came despite the MP4-24 running with a new front wing, resdesigned floor and top body – a package of Melbourne-spec performance updates new team boss Martin Whitmarsh now acknowledges has resulted in a “performance shortfall” which it is “working hard to resolve".

Indeed Mercedes motorsport boss Norbert Haug – who has ironically seen the German firm’s customer engines help power Brawn GP to its stunning timesheet-topping times – admits that on current form McLaren is firmly on the back foot heading to Melbourne.

“There is a lack of downforce and we are currently working hard to solve this problem,” Haug said.

“Basically, the car feels good - that is what our drivers say.

“However, we are currently definitely not fast enough, not competitive enough to aim for victories."

While headline lap times from pre-season testing are notoriously difficult to interpret, the unusual site of a McLaren being the slowest car in a full 10-team field prompted speculation that all was not well with the MP4-24.

McLaren chairman Ron Dennis, who handed over team principal reigns to Whitmarsh on March 1, attempted to play down its troubles earlier this week, although he did concede that its pre-season programme hadn’t entirely gone to plan.

But after Hamilton ended the Barcelona test 1.9s slower than the pace set by Brawn GP, Whitmarsh has now confirmed it is suffering “chassis-centric” problems centred on its aerodynamic package.

“It is a combination of factors,” he said.

“Our Mercedes-Benz engine is strong - we saw that last year - so MP4-24's performance shortfall is clearly chassis-centric.

“Inevitably, in 21st-century Formula 1, it is a car's aero aspect that confers the greatest pluses and minuses to its overall performance package, and that would appear to be the case with MP4-24."

ITV.com/F1 sources understand that the aero issues are linked to a problem with rear wing stalling, with McLaren having alternated between 2008 and 2009-spec rear wings at Jerez last week and redesigned the car’s floor.

Recent tests have also seen McLaren conduct ‘flow vis’ tests – whereby a green dye is applied to the side of the car and is dispersed as the air flows over it at speed – to highlight how the airflow is being managed, a practice normally carried out behind closed doors in private testing.

Having completed its early running with an interim aerodynamic package, McLaren had always aimed to introduce its definitive Melbourne specification car at the latest possible moment – therefore the unexpected issues presented the team with a problem given it has just one test left at Jerez next week before the first race.

Whitmarsh, however, expressed confidence the team’s engineers would quickly get on top of the problems and get the MP4-24 up to the team’s expected level of performance.

“Formula 1 engineers can do great things when the pressure is on,” he said.

"Speaking to them today, I was struck by their resolute determination to address MP4-24's issues in record time.

“In fact, it is that kind of resolute determination, coupled with expertise and experience of ultra-high technology and the ability to work accurately and quickly under pressure, that makes Formula 1 the great sport and the tremendous engineering challenge it is."

However, both Whitmarsh and Haug have conceded that McLaren is still likely to be behind its main rivals at the first race.

"Next week we will be testing at Jerez, which many of our rivals will not be,” Whitmarsh said.

“We aim to continue to develop the car, and the result should be measurable on the stopwatch.

“Will MP4-24 be as quick as we want it to be by March 29 [the date of the Australian Grand Prix]? Perhaps not.

“Will it be quicker than it has been this week at the Barcelona test? Yes.

“Will it improve as we develop its aero and thereby address its problems in the coming weeks and months? Most certainly."

Haug appeared even more cautious, adding: "We are working hard to improve.

“However, it might take us a few races to significantly improve."

But while the team may not be in a position to allow Lewis Hamilton to start the defence of his world crown with a victory, Whitmarsh has no doubt that it will get stronger as the season progresses.

“Many times in Formula 1 history have successful teams started off with a car that was not working as well as they had hoped it would, and many times have those successful teams engineered their way back to the front of the grid in impressively short order,” he said.

“That is what we aim to do. In fact, that is what we are already doing."


source: ITV-F1

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)
PostPosted: 15 Mar 2009, 13:26  
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joostlamers wrote:
Nbuulb wrote:
At this moment, the quickest on the track is Rubens Barrichello on Brawn BGP001 (1'20"124).
Alonso had a heavy crash due to a suspension failure this morning. Luckily he's unhurt.

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hopefully theres a vid of it but glad Nando's ok

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)
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Alonso had a quite severe frontal crash into the tyres this morning which caused a lot of damage.

Mclarens were supposed to be testing today :zz:
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they're probably back in Woking crying...

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)
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Rubens Barrichello Brawn GP 00:01'19''236
Fernando Alonso Renault 00:01'19''895
Nico Hulkenberg Williams 00:01'20''013

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)
PostPosted: 15 Mar 2009, 19:25  
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maybe its not the right place to ask but someone make a video preview of 2009????

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)
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There aren't many good clips available from Jerez/Barcelona, best to probably wait until BBC make a preview programme and it is uploaded here on the forum.

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