2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by AzShadow » 11 Mar 2009, 18:14

Haha, what's Schumi doing there, other than smiling at McLaren's woes? :p Looks like Brawn Racing decided to try a light fuel run. Remember that everyone can drop at least a second from their times if they want, but they're all sandbagging so you shouldn't think that Brawn is all of a sudden light years ahead of everyone.
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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by phil1993 » 11 Mar 2009, 18:34

But their pace is promising. So Honda were right to focus on 2009 it seems, but then shot themselves in the foot.

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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by megasyxx » 11 Mar 2009, 18:38

phil1993 wrote:Today's times:

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Button Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:19.127 124
2. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:20.168 109
3. Kubica BMW Sauber (B) 1:20.217 109
4. Glock Toyota TF109 (B) 1:20.410 99
5. Alonso Renault R29 (B) 1:20.863 107
6. Vettel Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:21.165 102
7. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:21.324 89
8. Fisichella Force India-Mercedes (B) 1:21.545 97
9. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:21.569 140
10. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:21.657 82


....it looks like the worst is the best and the best is the worst :lol:
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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by AzShadow » 11 Mar 2009, 18:57

phil1993 wrote:But their pace is promising. So Honda were right to focus on 2009 it seems, but then shot themselves in the foot.
The problem is that with that kind of strategy you're good only every other year while the top teams aim to be the best every season.
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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by JoostLamers » 11 Mar 2009, 20:07

www.mclaren.com:
Lewis joined the test this morning as the team began working through a series of pitstop practices. The morning session was spent introducing Lewis to the new aero package and setting up the car to his liking. That work continued into the afternoon, with the team focusing on longer runs and additional pitstop practices. Running was hampered by an off at Turn Two at mid-afternoon: Lewis lost the car at the exit of the second corner and hit a tyre-barrier, which broke off a front-wing endplate and damaged the nose struts. After some repairs to the front-end, he was able to complete the remainder of the session.

So they are saying that they are testing the long runs. So if they haven't driven a light fueled car, what can be the difference? 0,750? One second? But nevertheless, their pace is definately concerning...
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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by AzShadow » 11 Mar 2009, 20:41

Some info from TS:

If Button and Barrichello had shown a lot of promise in the first two days of testing, running in very competitive times, no one was prepared to see the Brit shatter the 2009-spec cars lap record and beat everyone else by a full second! And that on a day where Felipe Massa did a low fuel run at the end of the morning, as Ferrari was doing a qualifying simulation!
If that's true, then Ferrari really sucks on one lap performance.
On the long runs, though, the BGP001 was not as impressive as in qualifying runs, as Button admitted: "It's true that we do struggle a bit with tyre degradation and that's something we'll have to work on, with Bridgestone, to improve the situation before the Australian Grand Prix."

Felipe Massa was second quickest of the day, beating Raikkonen's previous best time by 2/10s of a second, but his day, which included a Grand Prix distance, was not without trouble. After only eight laps in the morning the Brazilian had to stop on the track with a hydraulic problem, the second one in as many weeks. There were worried faces at Ferrari at the end of the day, with Luca Baldisseri returning home with Team Principal Stefano Domecali, who made a quick visit to testing on Wednesday, as the team prepared to make some changes to the F60 to make sure the car will be reliable in the first two races of the season.

Once Massa got going again, his lap times were as impressive as Raikkonen's had been in the previous day. He was able to run 20 laps stints in the 1m21s bracket, with his quickest times being always in the 1m20s bracket, showing that in race trim the F60 is still the pace setter.
So Ferrari's got race speed, but otherwise they're pretty weak.

Alonso told how's it going on at Renault
Alonso explained, "the new parts gave the results we expected and we keep making progress in every test we've done so far, but when you look at the lap times Button has done with the Brawn, in qualifying trim, or Massa in race trim, it's clear we're not in a position to beat those times at the moment."

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Robert Kubica was third quickest, focusing on general set-up and evaluation of some new parts for the rear suspension but he also did a couple of low fuel runs - although not strictly qualifying runs - and was able to match Massa's times, like BMW had already done in Bahrain. In longer runs the F1.09 was also quite consistent and there were no reliability concerns, in what was a very positive day for the Polish driver.

Timo Glock set the 4th quickest time of the day, once again Toyota's good form and he was not far of the lap times achieved by Massa and Kubica.

The German (Rosberg) did a good number of long runs in relatively competitive times, but it was clear the FW31 was more than half a second per lap slower than Felipe Massa's Ferrari

About Hamilton's crash
There was no word from the team about the reasons for the spin, although the mechanics were seen inspecting the left rear suspension at the sight of the crash, but eye witnesses said Hamilton had just lost control of the car as he accelerated out of Turn Two, which is consistent with the fact the MP4/24 is lacking in traction in the last couple of tests, since the 2009 rear wing was put in the car.
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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by JoostLamers » 11 Mar 2009, 20:53

all the laptimes of Massa, Alonso and Hamilton of today (scroll down - click on "vuelta a vuelta" of one of the three drivers)
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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by JoostLamers » 11 Mar 2009, 20:59

By the way: Anyone got big pictures (of Hamilton) of today's test? :roll::
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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by swca92 » 11 Mar 2009, 21:48

McLaren have rear-end problems(no Max Mosley pun intended),no doubt about it.Hamilton keeps on spinning/crashing,and by the looks of things they used the 2008 rear wing as there 09 rear wing has no traction and they could only do proper testing with the 08 rear wing.

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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by Fr0ZzZeN » 12 Mar 2009, 00:54

swca92 wrote:McLaren have rear-end problems(no Max Mosley pun intended),no doubt about it.Hamilton keeps on spinning/crashing,and by the looks of things they used the 2008 rear wing as there 09 rear wing has no traction and they could only do proper testing with the 08 rear wing.


The official word on the using of the 2008 rear wing was that McLaren did not have there final wing ready and used the 2008 wing because it's performance was expected to quite closely match that of the full 2009 wing. Take that with a pinch of salt to be honest :blush:
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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by AzShadow » 12 Mar 2009, 05:53

joostlamers wrote:all the laptimes of Massa, Alonso and Hamilton of today (scroll down - click on "vuelta a vuelta" of one of the three drivers)
Hmm, did you intend to post a link? I feel like there's something missing from this post :)
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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by JoostLamers » 12 Mar 2009, 09:25

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joostlamers wrote:all the laptimes of Massa, Alonso and Hamilton of today (scroll down - click on "vuelta a vuelta" of one of the three drivers)
Hmm, did you intend to post a link? I feel like there's something missing from this post :)

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Re: 2009 Winter & Mid-season testing (Results and Pictures)

Post by why so serious » 12 Mar 2009, 10:03


How impressive that Ferrari is so consistent in long runs. Massa has beaten last year's fastest lap not one but many times. If they don't experience any technical woes, we might see a prancing horse domination. We have seen lots of time that qualification is important but not decisive. Looking up tyres, especially rear tyres, will be the achilles heel in this season and gues who can look after their tyres most.

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why so serious wrote:

How impressive that Ferrari is so consistent in long runs. Massa has beaten last year's fastest lap not one but many times. If they don't experience any technical woes, we might see a prancing horse domination. We have seen lots of time that qualification is important but not decisive. Looking up tyres, especially rear tyres, will be the achilles heel in this season and gues who can look after their tyres most.

Last year they showd massive dominance during the test in Bahrein, and what did they achieve in Melbourne?
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