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 Post subject: Re: Winning from the back
PostPosted: 15 Oct 2008, 18:15  
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there was a safety car at Japan 2005, it ruined Ralf's strategy somehow (he started from pole and finished 8th in the end). But it was still a great drive from Kimi (I think the overtake of race-leader fisichella in the final lap was the best overtaking of 2005)

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 Post subject: Re: Winning from the back
PostPosted: 15 Oct 2008, 19:18  
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If there was SC, I'm sure it was somewhere around the first laps so it didn't really affect Kimi's performance that much.

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PostPosted: 15 Oct 2008, 19:22  
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It was for JPMs crash, so it lifted KR up one place, but it was only out for 3/4 laps, so it made no difference

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 Post subject: Re: Winning from the back
PostPosted: 15 Oct 2008, 20:27  
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oh yeah, i remember now. thnx for the flashback guys....

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 Post subject: Re: Winning from the back
PostPosted: 16 Oct 2008, 22:51  
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phil1993 wrote:
It was for JPMs crash, so it lifted KR up one place, but it was only out for 3/4 laps, so it made no difference



Monty crashed a lot in 2005, didn´t he? :)
I remember favouring McLaren over Renault that year, unfortunately McLaren threw too many points away.

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 Post subject: Re: Winning from the back
PostPosted: 17 Oct 2008, 06:59  
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Safety car did help Kimi in Japan 2005, but ultimately he had to pass every other car in the field. All it did to him was to bunch up the field. But when you see Nelson's podium in Germany, that clearly shows the ultimate fiasco of F1. Without the intervention of safety car we cannot get stunning races.

Michael Schumacher in 95 Spa, 98 Hungary .. Mika Hakkinen - France 99. All these races were purely fought down to core w/o any impact from Safety car. Think of Britain 98, when Michael stood in the pits running his 10 sec Stop & No is the last lap. He was still clear of the Mclaren of Mika by about 15 secs after the penalty time was over. These kind of performances would require F1 to be more relaxed as it used to be in the early 90's.
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2008, 14:27  
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kimi and mika wrote:
Kimi wins by quite a lot, then Rubens. Kimi was just amazing, Alonso was unlucky with the FIA, but without that he might of won...how far behind was he?


17.4s

both him and kimi had cracking races though. they all got from the back but instead of relying on pit stops they relied on their skill to overtake. Alonso's move on webber going over the grass after being pushed by him and Kimi's move on a gobsmacked fisi were quite remarkable given they were so late in the race.

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would have been nice to see Kimi and Alonso both passing fisi into the first corner!

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 Post subject: Re: Winning from the back
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I believe John Watson holds the record, he started 23rd I think in 1983 Long Beach GP to win it. He was known back then for winning races from the back of the field (I think he's done same thing at Detroit that year).
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Sanredrose wrote:
Mika Hakkinen - France 99..


A) Frentzen won that race for Jordan..
B) There was a safety car..

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 Post subject: Re: Winning from the back
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Alonso at Singapore 2008. Insane race!!
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 Post subject: Re: Winning from the back
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 Post subject: Re: Winning from the back
PostPosted: 27 Nov 2008, 09:01  
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the best ever driver to win from the back was john watson - no contest at all ---- he won many races from behind usually on street circuits where no one else did any over taking of any kind - detroit 82 for e.g. - his greatest feat was long beacj 83 - watson and lauda started 25th and 26th they finished 1st and 2nd - this was just a flash of genius from lauda but for watson it was common territory

juan manuel fangio also could win from behind - however he usually started at the front and the only reason he would drp to the back was if he had car trouble - 57 nurburgring justifies this - having waited about 10mins in the pits he drove the reamining laps at record speeds won the races and took his final title

senna was also similar to fangio - if he ever found himself at the back it might have been a mistake but he would win from there - japan 88 staled on the line got the car roling 16th to 1st during the race and took the championship --- 89 after hi crash with prost he pitted to replace his nose, nannini took the lead and senna rejoined the race with i believe 3 laps to go in that time he made up over 7 secs to take the win and what should have been his championship
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 Post subject: Re: Winning from the back
PostPosted: 27 Nov 2008, 09:32  
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Oh I remember once Clark at Nordschleife had terrible get-away from start and was like 20s behind everyone or so, but after 1st lap he passed already 16 cars. I think he finished 2nd in that race.
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 Post subject: Re: Winning from the back
PostPosted: 30 Nov 2008, 09:06  
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blizzard wrote:
phil1993 wrote:
It was for JPMs crash, so it lifted KR up one place, but it was only out for 3/4 laps, so it made no difference



Monty crashed a lot in 2005, didn´t he? :)
I remember favouring McLaren over Renault that year, unfortunately McLaren threw too many points away.


yeah, the tennis injuries, running over a generator from BAR and hitting a loose drain cover

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