The outcome of the appeal

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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by megasyxx » 22 Sep 2008, 16:48

joostlamers wrote:
shail69 wrote:it would be funny if the court bans hamilton from driving the rest of this season.

yeah right :oh: dream on :wave:


it's ok as long as they win the appeal and massa, kubica, raikkonen, and heidfeld would not score more than 81 points in the remaining 4 races - only kovalainen is permitted to score 82 points or more! :) :) :)
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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by Jaguar » 22 Sep 2008, 17:05

It won't happen ... his move was against the rules ... yet the rules are to be cleared more and more every season ... and i believe Lewis though his move was legal while he did it ... not going to defend none of Lewis and/or FIA cause both are mistaken :P

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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by Zack » 22 Sep 2008, 18:28

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70786 wrote:Hamilton: I hope judges see the truth

By Jonathan Noble Monday, September 22nd 2008, 18:00 GMT

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren appeal, ParisLewis Hamilton flew out of Paris on his way to Singapore on Monday night saying he hoped the judges at the FIA International Court of Appeal had seen the 'truth' after their lengthy hearing into the Belgian Grand Prix controversy.

Hamilton testified at length about his version of events at Spa-Francorchamps in front of the five judges, and at one stage got into an exchange with Ferrari counsel Nigel Tozzi QC.

And as he left the court, Hamilton said he would not worry tonight about what decision the judges will come to when they deliver their verdict tomorrow morning.

"Whatever happens I am not worried either way," he said. "I just hope the judges see the truth. I am a racing driver, driven by excellence. It's what I do. It's what I enjoy doing. I am now just going to focus on my next race and hopefully winning there.

"At the moment, as I see it, I am one point ahead and that's how I will go into it."

Hamilton had only been called up to testify in the afternoon, with the morning's session dominated by talk between lawyers about whether the appeal was admissible.

When he was called up to give his account of the events, Hamilton stood his ground when cross-examined by Tozzi.

And at one stage, when angered about some comments regarding his behaviour, Hamilton said to Tozzi: "Are you a racing driver? No!

"I have been a racing driver since I was eight years old and I know pretty much every single manoeuvre in the book, and that's why I'm the best at my job. We are talking about a skilled driver under intense pressure making a split-second decision which no-one, not unless they are in Formula One, can comprehend.
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The court looked at detailed video footage of the incident to try and get a better understanding of the situation.

Hamilton remarked: "Your heart is battling whilst you are racing.

"The last thing I wanted to do is crash into him. When you have gone so far, you want to finish the race. We had a great battle and there was no need to take stupid risks, so I had to cut the chicane.

"I've since studied the footage about 10 times and I can remember it vividly like it was yesterday. I believe I then gave the advantage back. I honestly, hand on heart feel I did so."

The five judges preciding over the case - Xavier Conesa (Spain), Philippe Narmino (Monaco), Erich Sedelmayer (Austria), Harry Duijm (Netherlands) and Thierry Julliard (Switzerland) will spend this evening deliberating on their verdict.

They will first of all have to decide if the appeal was admissible in the first place.

According to FIA regulations, drive-through penalties are not subject to appeal, but McLaren's QC Mark Phillips has argued that this case should revolve simply around the time penalty as there was no way to serve the drive-through.

Only if the judges rule that the appeal is valid will they then deliberate over their view on whether Hamilton did gain an advantage by cutting the chicane.

Hamilton admitted to an element of relief when he left the court, as he headed for a flight to Singapore via Zurich.

"It was long and intense," he explained. "I said what was on my mind because in that position you can be talked down to. But by no means am I an idiot. I had a right to my opinion.

"But I am very, very proud of my team because I am amazed at how much work and attention to detail went into it.

"There were much better things I could have done with my day, like prepare for the next grand prix in Singapore, but today was a very important issue.

"I was unfortunately penalised, so it was good to come here and put our point of view, as well as listen to other people's opinions."
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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by scermat » 22 Sep 2008, 19:21

OMG HOW ARROGANT INSULTING GRATE RAEC DRIVER TOZZI.

(i'm expecting the anti-lewis brigade to start moaning about arrogance after the beep...



...BEEP)

he said a lot of cow manure this past week but completely agree with him there. Tozzi's one dirty lawyer. the way he twists and turns things round is unbelieavable.
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Post by phil1993 » 22 Sep 2008, 19:32

scermat wrote:OMG HOW ARROGANT INSULTING GRATE RAEC DRIVER TOZZI.

(i'm expecting the anti-lewis brigade to start moaning about arrogance after the beep...



...BEEP)

he said a lot of bulls** this past week but completely agree with him there. Tozzi's one dirty lawyer. the way he twists and turns things round is unbelieavable.


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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by scermat » 22 Sep 2008, 19:35

fixed. meh.
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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by musashi_sw » 22 Sep 2008, 20:15

i'm in a law school, and i was thinking that "when angered about some comments regarding his behaviour" give a answer like that is not the smartest thing
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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by JoostLamers » 22 Sep 2008, 20:43

Thanks fot the article Zack :thumbsup:
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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by Fergie1 » 22 Sep 2008, 21:01

Interesting but I don't think regardless of the truth anything will be done. I would probably get pretty angry if some to**ers started interogating like a criminal over a motor race.

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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by scermat » 22 Sep 2008, 21:04

can anyone, by the way, tell me what ferrari were doing there? i thought McLaren appealed the FIA's decision. nothing to do with ferrari.
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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by Fergie1 » 22 Sep 2008, 21:08

scermat wrote:can anyone, by the way, tell me what ferrari were doing there? i thought McLaren appealed the FIA's decision. nothing to do with ferrari.

I think to defend themselves and bumlick the FIA.

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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by dazmoffman » 22 Sep 2008, 21:11

the stewards decesion will not be over turned.

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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by dazmoffman » 22 Sep 2008, 21:18

musashi_sw wrote:i'm in a law school, and i was thinking that "when angered about some comments regarding his behaviour" give a answer like that is not the smartest thing


well if your a lawyer youve not exactly human are you, i mean defending killers and murders!
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Re: The outcome of the appeal

Post by swca92 » 22 Sep 2008, 21:22

Well I believe Jean Todt is on the FIA's executive committee,so draw your own conclusions.I've already posted my verdict on what I think will happen,which is basically for political reasons the FIA will reject the appeal.But Ferrari having a lawyer there I find disgraceful.Why is he there? Ferrari weren't supposed to have complained about Lewis in the first place,and the verdict should have nothing to do with Ferrari.Also this appeal looks to me like a kangaroo court.The same organisation that made the decision now hears the appeal against it.Are the FIA really going to upset its ally (Ferrari)? Going to go against its own stewards? Wreck the authority of its stewards? Make a championship less close?

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