Espionage at Ferrari and McLaren

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Post by Zack » 20 Nov 2007, 05:09

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Post by AzShadow » 22 Nov 2007, 17:03

Evidence builds in Stepney sabotage case
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 3006.shtml
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Post by AzShadow » 13 Dec 2007, 17:32

It just never seems to end. Apparently McLaren might have used some of the Ferrari information in their 2008 car's development:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64369

The full letter with McLaren's view:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64370

We'll see how this one is going to end, but the 2007 season and spy saga still go on...
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Post by Lilellatho » 13 Dec 2007, 19:10

McLaren's apologies have come a little too late and they are a complete insult to anyone watching the sport. Hey, but atleast they had some flicker of decency to admit they acted wrongly in this.

So after all the lying, misleading and hypocrisy they showed in this issue, they just expect to apologise and get away with it? :( Well guess what, they can't because their image is seriously tainted right now. I am so disappointed with this team that I can't even tell you (and I once was a big supporter) ::oops:;

One thing seems to be good in all of this: it seems that the '07 season will finally be over as the FIA are considering to cancel the Feb. '08 hearing as a result of McLaren's apology.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64373

So here's to a great '08 seson :T:@

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Post by Zack » 13 Dec 2007, 19:32

"Is the Ferrari wheelbase an accurate figure? Did it come from photos or our mole?" :(
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Post by Lilellatho » 13 Dec 2007, 19:44

zack wrote:"Is the Ferrari wheelbase an accurate figure? Did it come from photos or our mole?" :(


Yeah, I know what you mean. I was also #Fear when I read that.
And the response was:"You will find it's to the nearest 'mm'" :shock:

Anyway, for those who haven't discovered it, here's the full report of the FIA Technical department to the WMSC. It's quite an interesting read:
http://www.fia.com/public/mclaren.pdf
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Post by Lilellatho » 13 Dec 2007, 19:51

Oh dear God, more things come to light :shock:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64374

Can anyone still claim that McLaren are innocent in all this? :(

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Post by Zack » 13 Dec 2007, 20:40

The FIA has responded to that saying president Max Mosley has asked the WMSC for permission to cancel February's meeting and consider the matter closed.

"In the light of McLaren's public apology and undertakings, the FIA President has asked the members of the World Motor Sport Council for their consent to cancel the hearing scheduled for 14 February 2008 and, in the interests of the sport, to consider this matter closed," said the FIA in a statement.

NEGATIVE!!!
All i can say for now is Mclaren isn't innocent as it looks from outside :p
I wish FIA/WMSC to pass judgment that will demoralize such acts & events.
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Re: Espionage at Ferrari and McLaren

Post by megasyxx » 14 Dec 2007, 18:30

not being biased for being a mclaren fan....but i think that's most appropriate, the real one that must be punished is one nigel stepney, he dragged along coughlan into this and of course, it's only logical that coughlan would use the data in one form or another
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Post by Lilellatho » 14 Dec 2007, 18:39

Don't worry, there are some hard times ahead of that certain Mr. Stepney with the criminal trial in Italy. So he's not off the hook just yet. :roll::

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Post by AzShadow » 21 Dec 2007, 09:56

Ferrari still fuming over spy case

Quoted by Corriere dello Sport, Todt said: "At the hearing McLaren came with 200 signatures of managers saying they never had access to the information.

"Then, three months later, when the FIA did its verifications, it was demonstrated that was completely false. They went corrupting their own personnel to make them sign false documentation.


Reacting to questions about the McLaren guarantees not to develop parts that could have come from Ferrari intellectual property, di Montezemolo said: "Yes, I'm convinced that at least the colours will be different. I don't expect a red McLaren. It's better if we talk about something else."

And di Montezemolo hit out at the fact McLaren won Racing Car of the Year, and Lewis Hamilton International Driver of the Year at the recent Autosport Awards.

"The English never miss a chance to demonstrate their lack of sportsmanship," he said. "The best car is the one that wins, and that's the Ferrari."


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Post by megasyxx » 12 Feb 2008, 18:21

For the record, case closed(?) !yahoo: :cheezy:
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Post by Chubbs » 12 Feb 2008, 19:01

i wish but saw this news post on 7th feb i think...


"McLaren chiefs summoned for questioning in spy case"

The Ferrari-McLaren espionage case continues as leading figures of McLaren have been summoned for questioning by magistrate Giseppe Tibis. Ron Dennis, Martin Whithmarsh and two other senior members of the team are the persons that will have to appear at Modena for an interogation. According to the Italian newspaper 'Gazzetta dello Sport', this questioning will take place on 18 February.

http://www.f1technical.net/news/8218
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Post by megasyxx » 12 Feb 2008, 21:03

Chubbs wrote:i wish but saw this news post on 7th feb i think...


"McLaren chiefs summoned for questioning in spy case"

The Ferrari-McLaren espionage case continues as leading figures of McLaren have been summoned for questioning by magistrate Giseppe Tibis. Ron Dennis, Martin Whithmarsh and two other senior members of the team are the persons that will have to appear at Modena for an interogation. According to the Italian newspaper 'Gazzetta dello Sport', this questioning will take place on 18 February.

http://www.f1technical.net/news/8218



i think that's in Italy's courtrooms, but in terms of the FIA....i think the safe answer is case not totally closed !yahoo:
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Post by Chubbs » 12 Feb 2008, 21:25

megasyxx wrote:
Chubbs wrote:i wish but saw this news post on 7th feb i think...


"McLaren chiefs summoned for questioning in spy case"

The Ferrari-McLaren espionage case continues as leading figures of McLaren have been summoned for questioning by magistrate Giseppe Tibis. Ron Dennis, Martin Whithmarsh and two other senior members of the team are the persons that will have to appear at Modena for an interogation. According to the Italian newspaper 'Gazzetta dello Sport', this questioning will take place on 18 February.

http://www.f1technical.net/news/8218



i think that's in Italy's courtrooms, but in terms of the FIA....i think the safe answer is case not totally closed !yahoo:



not totally closed? do u mean case totally closed?
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