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Re: Appeal Hearing

Post by Silver Shadow » 05 Sep 2007, 20:33

I'm not one for harsh punishments, and I support Ferrari and McLaren (The latter because of the Mercedes Benz legacy and the former for Kimi). I would rather have a points reduction rather than a full suspension of the team, if it came down to that. There doesn't have to be a full blown reduction in points, just a few to set an example, something like 5 points per race before it became evident or whatever. Let the drivers fight it out, but have that points reduction...
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Re: Appeal Hearing

Post by megasyxx » 06 Sep 2007, 12:48

MikaOwns wrote:No, guys Mclaren didn't really look at the Ferrari documents. :(


amen! amen! .................. !grin! hahaha, well....let's just wait and see what the outcome of the hearings would be $peace
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Re: Appeal Hearing

Post by megasyxx » 06 Sep 2007, 12:51

Silver Shadow wrote:I'm not one for harsh punishments, and I support Ferrari and McLaren (The latter because of the Mercedes Benz legacy and the former for Kimi). I would rather have a points reduction rather than a full suspension of the team, if it came down to that. There doesn't have to be a full blown reduction in points, just a few to set an example, something like 5 points per race before it became evident or whatever. Let the drivers fight it out, but have that points reduction...


in my opinion, maybe mclaren should be penalized by paying a certain amount - no points reduction whatsoever :T:@ although i believe they'll be cleared of this scam once and for all :shhh: $peace
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Re: Appeal Hearing

Post by Silver Shadow » 06 Sep 2007, 14:28

Well, maybe McLaren should also remove the Ferrari ideas that are evident on their car as well.
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Re: Appeal Hearing

Post by Dark_Fisico » 06 Sep 2007, 17:00

apprently the new evidence is this
German specialist magazine Auto Motor und Sport claims that Alonso and fellow Spaniard Pedro de la Rosa, who is McLaren's primary test driver, could be among the sources of the mysterious evidence.

According to the rumours, de la Rosa was earlier this year given confidential Ferrari setup information by Coughlan, who has subsequently been suspended, before passing it on to Alonso.


If this is the case then McLaren are in real trouble... Though I can't see Pedro OR Alonso saying anything... It seems odd to me but I thought I'd post seeing it is the rumour going around :p... And I don't have any other source then it was posted on another forum...

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Alonso linked to spy row evidence

Post by Bowsey » 06 Sep 2007, 19:13

From ITV-F1.COM

Speculation is mounting in Monza that world champion Fernando Alonso could be among those at the centre of the spy scandal engulfing Formula 1.

The FIA announced on Wednesday that it had new evidence over the affair and will reconvene the World Motor Sport Council to question McLaren further next Thursday, having already found the team guilty without charge of being in breach of Article 151c of the international sporting code for possessing a confidential Ferrari dossier in July.

The source and nature of the evidence in question has been the subject of intense rumour in the Italian Grand Prix paddock.

But ITV-F1.com understands that it could be linked to an email conversation between Alonso and McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa that contained set-up information on Ferrari's F2007 that pre-dates the dossier incident that sparked the scandal.

The FIA is believed to have been tipped-off to the nature of this email and subsequently sent correspondence to McLaren's drivers, as well as all the teams, reminding them that it was their duty to provide the governing body with information pertaining to the case.

Alonso and de la Rosa are also thought to have been offered an 'amnesty' from any censure in return for their full cooperation.

Alonso was not permitted to answer questions from the press on the matter on Thursday, and McLaren has insisted that it intends to co-operate fully with the FIA.

But if the team is found guilty, the punishments could range from a contructors' points deduction and a heavy fine to a full disqualification from this season and 2008.

Next Thursday's hearing would not bring an end to the matter however as McLaren would almost certainly appeal any such sentence or take the matter to a civil court.

The FIA refused to comment on any correspondence with the McLaren drivers but a spokesman has confirmed that the two men at the centre of the scandal, the sacked Ferrari engineer Nigel Stepney and suspended McLaren technical director Mike Coughlan, have not been summoned to the WMSC hearing next Thursday.

And contrary to reports in the Italian press, though Stepney wrote a letter to the FIA last week, it is not believed to have contributed to the 'new evidence' in question.

Stepney's letter is thought to be connected to his own innocence and Italian newspaper La Reppublica quoted his lawyer Sonia Bartolini as saying: "There is not anything from Ferrari's point of view. This is just the start of the story, the surprises will be many and explosive."

Stepney and Coughlin must still prove to the FIA why they should granted permission to continue working in Formula 1.

"Mr Stepney and Mr Coughlin have not been called to the FIA World Council Meeting," said an FIA spokesman.

"Those proceedings will be dealt with entirely seperately."


This just gets fishier by the day, What do you guys think. Wierd stuff going on :huh: :huh:
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Re: Alonso linked to spy row evidence

Post by tvianna » 07 Sep 2007, 00:12

I think there will be a lot of speculation before the hearing next week. I prefer to wait than make any kind of judgement right now.
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Re: Alonso linked to spy row evidence

Post by Zack » 07 Sep 2007, 04:45

i think this are pure speculation!

FIA actually fax every team & Driver ...if any1 knows anything about spygate saga .. to report in!
so may be ''hmm''

for info(dunno much truth it is!)):-http://blog.estadao.com.br/blog/livio/ (Brazilian)
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Re: Alonso linked to spy row evidence

Post by Zack » 07 Sep 2007, 10:02

#Fear its true &doh

The full letter from Mosley to the teams
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62098

Letter confirms drivers had new evidence
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62097

`Alonso key witness against McLaren` :@:2 (last race )
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3 ... 17,00.html

Angry Hamilton :@:2 :@:2 :@:2
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954, ... 83,00.html
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Re: Alonso linked to spy row evidence

Post by Suntrek » 07 Sep 2007, 11:43

Planet F1 articles are so biased and full of s*** they are not worth reading at all. (where is the "puking" smiley when you need it???)

However, what seems to be clear is that the McLaren drivers have had e-mails in their possession that FIA now have requested them to hand over.

We do not know the content or the nature of these e-mails.

I'd prefer not to speculate until further information is available.
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Re: Alonso linked to spy row evidence

Post by megasyxx » 07 Sep 2007, 17:19

''hmm'' .....................c**p!!!!!! !yahoo:
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Re: Alonso linked to spy row evidence

Post by Zack » 07 Sep 2007, 17:39

megasyxx wrote:''hmm'' .....................c**p!!!!!! !yahoo:

well it should be c**p ... or mclaren will be craped! :@:2
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Re: Alonso linked to spy row evidence

Post by megasyxx » 07 Sep 2007, 17:56

Suntrek wrote:Planet F1 articles are so biased and full of s*** they are not worth reading at all. (where is the "puking" smiley when you need it???)

However, what seems to be clear is that the McLaren drivers have had e-mails in their possession that FIA now have requested them to hand over.

We do not know the content or the nature of these e-mails.

I'd prefer not to speculate until further information is available.


''hmm'' ....one article states that macca used ferrari setup last march, ''hmm'' ''hmm'' ''hmm'' i believe coughlan got his ferrari data in april, ''hmm'' ''hmm'' ''hmm'' ''hmm'' ''hmm'' i think nigel stepney works for mclaren in secret then.... !grin! !grin! !grin! !grin! !grin! just joking $peace $peace $peace
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Re: Alonso linked to spy row evidence

Post by donald29 » 07 Sep 2007, 18:23

very, very, very strange.

But maybe this is what he meant when he said I hve brought 6 tenths to this team! :@:2

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