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Who is the Greatest F1 Driver Ever
Michael Schumacher 41%  41%  [ 68 ]
Juan Manuel Fangio 4%  4%  [ 6 ]
Alain Prost 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
Ayrton Senna 47%  47%  [ 78 ]
Fernando Alonso 3%  3%  [ 5 ]
Niki Lauda 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jim Clark 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
Nigel Mansell 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 166
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 Post subject: Re: Greatest F1 Drivers Ever
PostPosted: 20 Apr 2009, 19:40  
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Er, why are Karthikheyan and Yoong in there..? :p

I think apart from those two, you've got some brilliant candidates in there. However, I don't think Andretti is better than Fittipaldi, nore do I think Hakkinen is better than Alonso.

EDIT: And no way are EITHER Hakkinen or Alonso better than Fangio.



Andretti is better that Fittapaldi.... Andretti was a natural at racing anything
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Wow I mean I'm partial to Senna as he was something of a childhood hero, but I didn't think the votes would be so dramatically skewed towards him and Schumacher! I would like to put in a bit of a second vote though...

Gilles Villeneuve

For simply driving the wheels (literally) off his car, and his inability to look at racing any other way than lap by lap. Consistency was not his strength, but he was quite the driver.
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.....Piquet, Gilles...... :wave:
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Wow I mean I'm partial to Senna as he was something of a childhood hero, but I didn't think the votes would be so dramatically skewed towards him and Schumacher! I would like to put in a bit of a second vote though...

Gilles Villeneuve

For simply driving the wheels (literally) off his car, and his inability to look at racing any other way than lap by lap. Consistency was not his strength, but he was quite the driver.



Long Beach 79 was one of the best street course performances I have ever seen in F1!
Gilles was more than amazing that day, in a class of his own.

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i dont think any driver had it written into their contract that schumi could not drive the other car......soo i gotta go with senna...
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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009, 15:44  
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i dont think any driver had it written into their contract that schumi could not drive the other car


What do you mean ?


And, for me, Schumi is the best driver ever. He is faster than Senna on a whole race, he work very hard to make a good car like Senna, he dont make error like Senna, and he is magic under rain like Senna.

So for me : Schumi - Senna : 4-3 :)

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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009, 16:16  
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he dont make error like Senna


France 1992 or 1993?
Australia 1994? (When he hit the wall BEFORE the Hill tangle)
San Marino 1995?
Europe 1997?
Canada 1999?
Brazil 2003?
China 2004?
Australia 2005?
Australia 2006?

Yeah, he didn't make many mistakes but you can't say that he didn't make errors like Senna. The only Senna error that stands out (although my knowledge of 80s and early 90s F1 is weak) is the one in Monaco in 88

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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009, 16:34  
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I said Schumi and Senna have near equal few number of number in their carreer.

So :

Senna :
Ayrton SENNA = 10 errors / 161 GP = 1 error each 16 GP

St Marin 1985
Italie 1987
Monaco 1988
Italie 1988
Grande-Bretagne 1989
Australie 1989
Brésil 1990
Espagne 1992
Brésil 1994

Michael SCHUMACHER = 10 errors / 249 GP = 1 error each 25 GP

Europe 1993
Australie 1994
St Marin 1995
Monaco 1996
Autriche 1998
Canada 1999
Brésil 2003
Chine 2005
Australie 2006
Hongrie 2006

I think I havent make any mistake in my statistic.

But I say they made nearly the same number of errors because Senna was more pushing on track (he took more risks) than Schumi.

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You forgot China 2004, Brazil 2004 from Schumacher's list :O

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You forgot China 2004, Brazil 2004 from Schumacher's list :O


:blush: Oups I dont remember whats happen ? A crash on brazil, no??

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China 2004 - He spun in quali, spun in the race, crashed into Klien and finished 12th
Brazil 2004 - It was damp and he spun
I'd like to add Germany 2001 - he had a gearbox problem and was crawling but stayed in the middle of the track rather than pulling off to the side (this was on the grid)

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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009, 19:49  
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Schumacher is way better than Senna.
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I'd like to add Germany 2001 - he had a gearbox problem and was crawling but stayed in the middle of the track rather than pulling off to the side (this was on the grid)


But this isnt an error because :
- its a very fast situation
- if he has turn his car in left or right direction and someone has overtake him, it would have been a more massive crash than Burti
- a driver want always to try if he can resolve the problem

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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009, 20:18  
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Hmm, Yeah, I suppose.

But then AFTER the crash, here and in Austria in 200, he tried to red flag the race by leaving his car on track, which I find not a very sporting thing to do

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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009, 22:50  
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Hmm, Yeah, I suppose.
But then AFTER the crash, here and in Austria in 200, he tried to red flag the race by leaving his car on track, which I find not a very sporting thing to do


but it wasnt an error.

And I think Schumi made the right thing by wanting to red flag because in Austria 2000, too many cars were damage on track, and in Hockenheim 2001, so many damage were on track.

And, imagine that in Australia 2002, Michael would have been victim of 1st corner massive crash and would have park his car to have a red flag, the race would have been surely restart and this would have been normal.
In reality, no drivers have "parked" their car to have a red flag and FIA didnt restart, and it was a ridiculous decision.

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