Grande Prêmio Petrobras do Brasil 2012

[Vlad-SRB]

LOL!

But, actually, F1 people say that he's really good in technical stuff. Likes to hang out with mechanics...

[andrew]

Similar driving styles? Crash and Burn Perez as opposed to skillful Button?
Remind me what the similarities are?

I wouldn't call Perez crash and burn.

Both Button and Perez have shown that they are probably amoung the best of the current crop of F1 drivers at tyre preservation and both have managed to salvage some good results from doing this.

LOL!

But, actually, F1 people say that he's really good in technical stuff. Likes to hang out with mechanics...

Very much in the mould of M. Schumacher.

I think Hulkenburg spent a year working in the Williams factory as well. Just throwing it in there.

[phil1993]

It's like #BOTTAS

He helps the mechanics set-up and pack up.

[donald29]

Very much in the mould of M. Schumacher.

Yep, it's a valid comparison. Interesting to note that pre-season 2011, when Pirelli were just coming in, Paul Hembury says the only two drivers to take the time to visit the Pirelli factory were Schumacher and Vettel.

[mikhailv]

Very much in the mould of M. Schumacher.

Yep, it's a valid comparison. Interesting to note that pre-season 2011, when Pirelli were just coming in, Paul Hembury says the only two drivers to take the time to visit the Pirelli factory were Schumacher and Vettel.

To be quiet honest, Pirelli are rubbish. I had P6000's on my Megane; terrabad, there was two Pzero's on the back of the RX8 complimented with two bridgestone RE040's on the front; again utterly attrocious.

Even if they were the new tyre supplier, I wouldnt bother going to them :P

[phil1993]

Very much in the mould of M. Schumacher.

Yep, it's a valid comparison. Interesting to note that pre-season 2011, when Pirelli were just coming in, Paul Hembury says the only two drivers to take the time to visit the Pirelli factory were Schumacher and Vettel.

Actually it was just Vettel.

[donald29]

Hembury lied then.

[tderias]

Just watched the Vettel - Ricciardo overtake for the first time. Knowing Vettel won it, I didn't really bother to look back at anything, but now that I did, I realise people are barking up the wrong tree.

Its stupid to judge it as an overtake under yellows. Why? Not because he was past the yellow flagged section of the track, which could still be debatable, but because it would be stupid to even count that as an overtake!!! The way Ricciardo gets out of the way is just unreal! He was actually having a battle of his own with Timo Glock, until he sees Vettel in his wing mirrors, takes the time to slow right down and detach himself from his own race, and make way to Sebastian. You know what's even funnier? Just after that, Timo Glock does the same thing and goes deliberately wide in one of the corners, when HE was jostling for position with one of the Caterhams. Not to mention Schumey getting out of the way, and maybe even others that the TV footage did not catch...

So is that how it works then? The more compatriots you have on the grid the easier your races become? The more teams your owner possesses, the less the cars you're effectively racing against? When Perez made a mistake in Malaysia, cries of conspiracy were echoed all around the F1 community just because Ferrari supplied Sauber with their engines, yet incidents like these get overlooked like they never happened... When Ferrari use team orders, its instantly frowned upon, yet Red Bull's orders seem to go even beyond the 'team' boundaries and no one complains.

Red Bull may have deserved victory this season for building the fastest car by the end of the 2012 season, but the way things have unfolded in Brazil and everyone's reaction is just bewildering. Let's just put it that way, if all of this happened to the team in red, the F1 world will be on it's head, screaming the words 'scandal' and 'shame'...

[phil1993]

A lot of the time drivers pull over because there's no point in fighting. Someone like Glock will only hurt his own race by trying to keep Vettel behind.

[Treacle]

Just watched the Vettel - Ricciardo overtake for the first time. Knowing Vettel won it, I didn't really bother to look back at anything, but now that I did, I realise people are barking up the wrong tree.

Red Bull may have deserved victory this season for building the fastest car by the end of the 2012 season, but the way things have unfolded in Brazil and everyone's reaction is just bewildering. Let's just put it that way, if all of this happened to the team in red, the F1 world will be on it's head, screaming the words 'scandal' and 'shame'...

It was Vergne...
Anyways, I guess it has been said quite a few times that nobody questions that TR is the "second team of RBR", and nobody is surprised by the fact that most of the time they will let Webber and Vettel pass. And it has been said that Ferrari could run another team... (I hope I didn't get my facts wrong, if I did, I'm sorry in advance)
Schumacher and Glock moved over by their own personal choice. I hope nobody believes that RBR paid them - or influenced them in any other way - so Vettel can be a champion.

As for the RBR is the same as Ferrari regarding team orders, I have to disagree. RBR uses team orders as well, that's a fact. But for my taste Ferrari does it in a manner that just turns my stomach... The way they treat Felipe is way worse than the way Mark is treated at RBR. I might too naive, but to me it feels like that Webber has the chance to fight Vettel fair and square up to the point he is out of the championship. Yes, RBR had some sneaky and disgusting moves as well- like the front wing scandal -, but the two drivers still feel more equal than Felipe and Alonso. And I want to believe that no other team would have done what Ferrari did in Austin...

[phil1993]

Well in Brazil, Webber said he was running his own race, blocked Vettel in at the start and then tried to re-pass him at the restart.

Vettel had no team-mate in Brazil in that respect, but he did from STR and Schumacher (who let him through).

In fact, Webber irritates me a lot of the time. Red Bull give their drivers equal opportunity. Webber blew his chance again this year and yet in the last round he still seemed totally reluctant to help his team-mate. I'm not saying he should pull over in Round 10 or something, but his driving in Brazil just seemed, well, not the right thing to do.

And yes, that team is 100% built around Fernando. No question.

[donald29]

In the 90s you had Jean Todt walking up and down the pitlane speaking to rival team principals warning them Schumacher was coming through and not to get involved. This is nothing new and not unique to Red Bull. Midfield teams and drivers don't want to be the one to cost so and so the championship because they collided with them.

Webber's immature. Pathetic for a 36 year old to walk out a press conference because the attention is on the (superior) drivers fighting for the championship. Had to laugh when he pinpointed Suzuka as the point things started going wrong for him in the championship, ignoring the fact he was outclassed by Vettel every race since Silverstone.

[mikhailv]

Webber fails when exhaust trickery comes into play.

[phil1993]

Webber fails when exhaust trickery comes into play.

Alonso fan = exhaust trickery
Reality = Suiting the car to the driver's needs.

[donald29]

http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsport ... CMP=chrome

Webber admitted in 2011 that he struggled to adapt his driving style to the exhaust-blown diffuser compared to Vettel, but when asked by ESPN if the Singapore update took this year's RB8 away from him in relation to his team-mate Webber replied: "Not really, no."