Korean Grand Prix 2012

Who will win?

Fernando Alonso
4
13%
Sebastian Vettel
14
45%
Kimi Raikkonen
5
16%
Lewis Hamilton
3
10%
Mark Webber
1
3%
Jenson Button
2
6%
Other
2
6%
 
Total votes: 31

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Re: Korean Grand Prix 2012

Post by phil1993 » 15 Oct 2012, 11:25

Eric_Cartman wrote:Thanks Phil :thumbsup: . I wish you would do the driver ratings after every race. But I know it's very time-consuming.


I did them yesterday (it helps to have a whole day :p) but I have free Mondays now, which helps. I'll try!

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Re: Korean Grand Prix 2012

Post by sportingcp » 15 Oct 2012, 14:45

Vettel is really dominating this. He really is superb at "new GP´s" and last part of the seasons. We can say that the race was a bit boring, but after that exciting first half of the season our expectations were/are very high and now that it´s clear Red Bull has the best car it´s a bit like.. meh we already know Vettel is gonna take the victory. Still the MVP of this race was Nico Hulkenberg great drive. Like expected this really was the "Gangnam Style GP" it was everywhere this weekend :lol:.

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Post by phil1993 » 15 Oct 2012, 16:38

Some cool stats

Sebastian Vettel's dominance in recent grands prix is not done justice simply by looking at the results.

Not only he is the first driver to record three wins in a row this year, as well back-to-back, lights-to-flag victories in Japan and Korea, he has now led for the longest consecutive distance in 20 years of Formula 1 racing!

Vettel has led every lap since the 23rd tour of the Singapore Grand Prix. That's a total of 145 laps, which accounts for an impressive 804km at the front.

The last time a longer distance was recorded was in 1992, by Nigel Mansell. That year Nigel led from the 32nd lap of the Brazilian Grand Prix to the 70th of the Monaco Grand Prix, for an astonishing total of 235 laps and 1016km straight.

Of course the last eight laps of that race the Principality race were led by Ayrton Senna, after the Williams man pitted and the pair engaged in a frantic last-ditch battle.

The absolute record for distance led could is close to archaic now, and probably unbeatable too. Alberto Ascari led from the second lap of the 1952 Belgian Grand Prix to the last lap of the Dutch Grand Prix of the same year. That's nearly five races and, with the race distances at the time averaging roughly 400km, that amounted to 305 laps and 2075km.

There have been some exceptional more recent sequences, notably that of Mark Webber in 2010 (Spain-Turkey for 159 laps, or 647km) and Kimi Raikkonen in 2005 (Spain-Europe for 162 laps, or 658 km).

Vettel's domination in Korea is also noteworthy because he remains one of only two leaders of the Korean Grand Prix; he's led 153 laps to Alonso's 12 at Yeongam.

Next up in the calendar is Buddh, where Seb led lights-to-flag last year…

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• Vettel's 25th career win puts him level with Jim Clark and Niki Lauda at seventh in the all-time list. He scored his 43rd podium, matching Jackie Stewart.

• The Korean Grand Prix marked Vettel's first string of three wins since Belgium-Singapore last year.

• It was Red Bull's 12th one-two. The team also locked the front row, led all the laps and recorded the fastest lap. This kind of domination hasn't been recorded since the 2008 French Grand Prix when Ferrari did the same thing.

• Fernando Alonso equalled the third longest chain of races without retiring with a mechanical problem in F1 history. The Spaniard has now gone 51 races without a problem – his last being an engine failure in the 2010 Malaysian Grand Prix. Lewis Hamilton also went 51 races without a problem, from his debut race to the 2009 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, when a rear brake issue forced him to retire. Mark Webber will match the longest streak in history – 58 races – if he doesn't retire in India. Michael Schumacher holds that record, with his Ferrari faultless between the 2001 Hungarian GP and the 2005 Malaysian race.

• Sebastian Vettel reclaimed the lead of the 2012 world championship for the first time since this year's Spanish Grand Prix in May, having trailed Fernando Alonso by 40 points after Hungary. Vettel has been helped by Alonso's opening-lap retirements in Belgium and Japan, but also significant is the fact the Spaniard has not finished higher than third since winning at Hockenheim in July.

• Kimi Raikkonen has now started 171 grands prix, the same number as Niki Lauda and is 21st on the all-time list.

• For the second straight year Williams was unable to score points in Korea.

• The opposite is true of Toro Rosso, which finished seventh and ninth in 2011 (courtesy of Jaime Alguersuari and Sebastien Buemi) and eighth and ninth this year (through Jean-Eric Vergne and Daniel Ricciardo). Both drivers equalled their career-best results in the process.

• Nico Rosberg recorded his first back-to-back accident-related retirements in an F1 career which now stands at 124 race starts.

• Jenson Button meanwhile retired on the opening lap of a race for the first time since the 2009 Belgian Grand Prix, when he was hit by Romain Grosjean at Les Combes.

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Re: Korean Grand Prix 2012

Post by Treacle » 15 Oct 2012, 17:00

These are some awesome facts! :) Thanks, Phil! ^.^
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Re: Korean Grand Prix 2012

Post by dacer » 16 Oct 2012, 15:20




Thanks!!!, but I think I saw a different race :confused:

Vettel 9, and Webber 8. Webber was on pole, got fastest lap, and only he didn't win by team orders. He manage a near 10s between Vettel and Alonso, and manage a +1second (Alonso never got DRS with him). Webber, 9 or more, Vettel, was not faster than his teammate, no more than 7.

My opinion.

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Post by phil1993 » 16 Oct 2012, 17:59

Vettel led every lap and won the race. Webber got a bad start and lost it there.

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Post by dacer » 16 Oct 2012, 20:43

phil1993 wrote:Vettel led every lap and won the race. Webber got a bad start and lost it there.

It's a joke?. Do you really think that?. I can't believe

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Re: Korean Grand Prix 2012

Post by antyk » 16 Oct 2012, 21:03

dacer wrote:Webber, 9 or more, Vettel, was not faster than his teammate, no more than 7.


What? Vettel was fastest in practice 2, practice 3, Q1 and Q2. He didn't get fastest lap cuz, he was told to slow down. Webber's starts has always been poor, no team orders there.
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Re: Korean Grand Prix 2012

Post by dacer » 16 Oct 2012, 21:56

Ohh my god!!! Unbelieve

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Re: Korean Grand Prix 2012

Post by F1EA » 16 Oct 2012, 22:33

dacer wrote:Ohh my god!!! Unbelieve


Why is that so hard to believe?
Vettel has been the fastest in that circuit or 3 yrs already, he did get held up on his final run and up until then no one was even close, Webber getting a poor start is common; even Alonso was pretty close to passing Webber as well, and had it not been for the yellows he may have had more chances. But by the time the flag was lifted RB had a gap, so no DRS....

Anything could have happened, but the way I see it... it's a total non-issue.

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Re: Korean Grand Prix 2012

Post by phil1993 » 17 Oct 2012, 07:01

dacer wrote:
phil1993 wrote:Vettel led every lap and won the race. Webber got a bad start and lost it there.

It's a joke?. Do you really think that?. I can't believe


That's not a belief, it's a fact.

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Re: Korean Grand Prix 2012

Post by François » 17 Oct 2012, 07:59

No, you got it all wrong. It's all a conspiracy to keep his beloved Alonso from winning the title.
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Post by dacer » 17 Oct 2012, 09:53

François wrote:No, you got it all wrong. It's all a conspiracy to keep his beloved Alonso from winning the title.


No it's simply team orders, same that Massa receive order to do not overtake/fight Alonso. Massa was faster than Alonso on Korea. Webber was faster than Vettel on Korea.

You can watch it, or be a mythomaniac

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Re: Korean Grand Prix 2012

Post by phil1993 » 17 Oct 2012, 10:00

Race fastest laps mean very little.

http://184.106.145.74/fia-f1/f1-2012/f1 ... alysis.pdf

Webber's race lap was faster, but across the race he was slower. There were no team orders from Red Bull in Korea.

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Re: Korean Grand Prix 2012

Post by dacer » 17 Oct 2012, 10:13

phil1993 wrote:Race fastest laps mean very little.

http://184.106.145.74/fia-f1/f1-2012/f1 ... alysis.pdf

Webber's race lap was faster, but across the race he was slower. There were no team orders from Red Bull in Korea.

that's like saying 1 + 1 = 2

Evident Vettel was across the race, faster man on track. He wins, evident he was faster. You can call also, he did same distance in less time. Or a lot of forms to say the same. Very poetic.

But faster man on track (one lap) was Webber. And he managed his race as he wants. Ensured enough space with Alonso, and a nice gap with Vettel, so Vettel would have no problems, even if Alonso get a second place on a pit stop strategy

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