2012 Formula 1 Japanese Grand Prix

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Who will win the Japanese Grand Prix?

Fernando Alonso
1
3%
Sebastian Vettel
10
27%
Kimi Raikkonen
6
16%
Lewis Hamilton
6
16%
Mark Webber
1
3%
Jenson Button
6
16%
Nico Rosberg
0
No votes
Romain Grosjean
1
3%
Sergio Perez
1
3%
Felipe Massa
1
3%
Paul Di Resta
0
No votes
Michael Schumacher
2
5%
Other
2
5%
 
Total votes: 37

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Re: 2012 Formula 1 Japanese Grand Prix

Post by donald29 » 06 Oct 2012, 15:32

phil1993 wrote:Yes. And he was wrong.

Regarding Sebastian vs Fernando, it's going to be between those two, and which one becomes the youngest ever triple champion. If Vettel does it, he breaks the record by six years!

If Vettel does it I think it will be a record that stands for a long, long time.

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Post by phil1993 » 06 Oct 2012, 15:35

I find the current era very special. We've got such talented drivers out there - Alonso (one of the best ever), Vettel (the potential to be the best ever), Hamilton, Button, Raikkonen. Then the guys who are supremely talented and pretty unfortunate to be living in such a quality era - Webber, Rosberg, even Massa to be honest. Then the inexperienced guys who have such speed - Perez, Grosjean, Maldonado. Whatever you say about their erratic nature, they are fast. And we've got guys like Hulkenberg (so underrated), di Resta and the great Schumacher for six final races.

I don't think we've ever had such a strong field in the sport.

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Post by cheng.damien » 06 Oct 2012, 15:36

phil1993 wrote:
Nothing much else that Vettel could have done, maybe cost Alonso a tenth or two at Casio Triangle which wouldn't have made a significant difference in the qualifying classification.
Ferrari is simply not fast enough at least on the options, best was fourth or fifth.

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Post by Treacle » 06 Oct 2012, 15:37

donald29 wrote:
phil1993 wrote:Yes. And he was wrong.

Regarding Sebastian vs Fernando, it's going to be between those two, and which one becomes the youngest ever triple champion. If Vettel does it, he breaks the record by six years!

If Vettel does it I think it will be a record that stands for a long, long time.
Well, if the young newcomers are kicked out at the rate they are now, and Vettel does it, I think this record won't be beaten...
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Post by phil1993 » 06 Oct 2012, 15:39

Oh of course. I detest Toro Rosso's system - and some other teams - of chucking out racing drivers. I mean, I don't rate Sebastien Buemi highly but Alguersuari was only 21 when it was deemed he wasn't good enough, just as he was getting better!

I also think the next Red Bull youngster - Antonio Felix Da Costa - is absolutely mega, but he's signed to Red Bull...

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Post by donald29 » 06 Oct 2012, 15:52

Yeah. Marko seems to want every Toro Rosso driver to be another Vettel. They were lucky to find one driver of Vettel's calibre and have him go through their system and be so good in F1 so soon, the chances of them finding another is very low.

Putting drivers in too soon is what gets me. Making your debut at 19 having never driven an F1 car, madness. No wonder he was only coming good two seasons into his career, aged 21 when many drivers havn't even made their debut...

Vergne has also been thrown in very early. When he made those comments about being able to match Webber I thought he was a bit of a knob, but the way he's conducted himself has really impressed. I hope he can get qualifying sorted as he has a lot of potential. Would hate to see that wasted by being dumped by Marko at some point next year.

Like you say it's not just Marko though, although he and Red Bull / Toro Rosso are the worst offenders. Whitmarsh was speaking about the great potential Perez has and why he took him over Hulkenberg and di Resta. At 25 is Hulkenberg now too old to drive for McLaren then? Not enough youth and potential anymore? I agree Hulkenberg is underrated, he'd have been my choice for McLaren.
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Re: 2012 Formula 1 Japanese Grand Prix

Post by dacer » 06 Oct 2012, 15:53

cheng.damien wrote:
phil1993 wrote:
Nothing much else that Vettel could have done, maybe cost Alonso a tenth or two at Casio Triangle which wouldn't have made a significant difference in the qualifying classification.
Ferrari is simply not fast enough at least on the options, best was fourth or fifth.
I can not see qualy. This video was on Q3?, and the only lap alonso do?

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Post by phil1993 » 06 Oct 2012, 15:55

donald29 wrote:Yeah. Marko seems to want every Toro Rosso driver to be another Vettel. They were lucky to find one driver of Vettel's calibre and have him go through their system and be so good in F1 so soon, the chances of them finding another is very low.

Putting drivers in too soon is what gets me. Making your debut at 19 having never driven an F1 car, madness. No wonder he was only coming good two seasons into his career, aged 21 when many drivers havn't even made their debut...

Vergne has also been thrown in very early. When he made those comments about being able to match Webber I thought he was a bit of a knob, but the way he's conducted himself has really impressed. I hope he can get qualifying sorted as he has a lot of potential. Would hate to see that wasted by being dumped by Marko at some point next year.

Like you say it's not just Marko though, although he and Red Bull / Toro Rosso are the worst offenders. Whitmarsh was speaking about the great potential Perez has and why he took him over Hulkenberg and di Resta. At 25 is Hulkenberg now too old to drive for McLaren then? Not enough youth and potential anymore?
Yep. Vergne's rate of progress in 2011 meant that Marko had to promote him. He wanted a line up of Alguersuari and Vergne, and wanted to ship Ricciardo out to Caterham. But for whatever reason, he dumped Alguersuari.

I can see a line up of Vettel/Vergne in the future. But who knows, if the rumours are true there may be 2 Red Bull seats free in 2014, or 2015.

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Re: 2012 Formula 1 Japanese Grand Prix

Post by François » 06 Oct 2012, 16:13

donald29 wrote:At 25 is Hulkenberg now too old to drive for McLaren then? Not enough youth and potential anymore? I agree Hulkenberg is underrated, he'd have been my choice for McLaren.
Button joined them aged 30. :p
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Re: 2012 Formula 1 Japanese Grand Prix

Post by donald29 » 06 Oct 2012, 16:15

Yeah but he'd already won a championship. :p

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Re: 2012 Formula 1 Japanese Grand Prix

Post by cformula1 » 07 Oct 2012, 00:14

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Re: 2012 Formula 1 Japanese Grand Prix

Post by Ferrariman60 » 07 Oct 2012, 01:05

Off to bed for me for the moment. The race coverage starts at 01:30 my time!

I've got a 4-pack of Red Bull ready to go.
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Re: 2012 Formula 1 Japanese Grand Prix

Post by donald29 » 07 Oct 2012, 04:34

Auto Motor und Sport report Red Bull have been running a double DRS this weekend.

Impressed they've kept that quiet and got it working. Compare to Lotus, we've known about their double DRS all season and it's not raced.

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Re: 2012 Formula 1 Japanese Grand Prix

Post by darrenyc » 07 Oct 2012, 04:52

Redbull seems to be on an up sweep of form lately. Alonso's lead looks vulnerable unless Ferrari can respond

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Re: 2012 Formula 1 Japanese Grand Prix

Post by MavF1 » 07 Oct 2012, 04:59

Ugh, anyone else as tired as I am, slept for only about 4 hours :sleep:

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