Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

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Who will win the Italian Grand Prix?

Fernando Alonso
5
12%
Sebastian Vettel
1
2%
Mark Webber
0
No votes
Kimi Raikkonen
5
12%
Lewis Hamilton
21
49%
Jenson Button
3
7%
Nico Rosberg
1
2%
Sergio Perez
1
2%
Michael Schumacher
3
7%
Felipe Massa
2
5%
Jerome d'Ambrosio
1
2%
Other
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 43

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by donald29 » 09 Sep 2012, 15:24

Perhaps my last post wasn't clear. It has the same meaning, what I meant was it doesn't sound as good. People won't still be quoting it in two years. :p

Yeah it is. Since Valencia the only race where Rosberg's been the leading Merc is Hungary. Since his car stopped breaking down Schumacher's been very solid (Hungary crapiness aside), shame the car is no longer competitive.

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by Edi96 » 09 Sep 2012, 15:25

donald29 wrote:Perhaps my last post wasn't clear. It has the same meaning, what I meant was it doesn't sound as good. People won't still be quoting it in two years. :p

Yeah it is. Since Valencia the only race where Rosberg's been the leading Merc is Hungary. Since his car stopped breaking down Schumacher's been very solid (Hungary crapiness aside), shame the car is no longer competitive.

Schumacher has scored 41 points since Valencia, Rosberg only 16.

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by donald29 » 09 Sep 2012, 15:51

Anyone know what tyres the Mercedes were running in the final stint?

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by Edi96 » 09 Sep 2012, 15:56

"Michael completed a two-stop strategy, running option/prime/prime, and stopping on laps 15 and 37. Nico also stopped twice today, running option/prime/prime, and stopping on laps 14 and 38."

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Post by phil1993 » 09 Sep 2012, 15:58

Rosberg has really disappointed me to be honest. Schumacher was inferior in 2010 and most of 2011, but this season he's had the upper hand a lot. Since Monaco, Rosberg has been nowhere. I had him as a title contender at that point.

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by donald29 » 09 Sep 2012, 15:59

Thanks. Someone told me they were on different tyres. I didn't think that was the case. :p

Yeah Rosberg's had some technical problems which havn't helped, but he's been very meh lately. Some of his performances have been like Schumacher in 2010. :p

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Post by phil1993 » 09 Sep 2012, 16:04

For the first time in 2012, we have drivers mathematically out of the hunt: d'Ambrosio, Petrov, Kovalainen, Glock, Pic, De La Rosa and Karthikeyan.

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by iceman1 » 09 Sep 2012, 16:07

donald29 wrote:Anyone know what tyres the Mercedes were running in the final stint?

Here's the pit stop summary:

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Hamilton: MU HN (23)   1 
Perez: HN MN (29)   1
Alonso: MU HN (20)   1
Massa: MU HN (19)   1
Räikkönen: MU HN (17)   1
Schumacher: MU HN (15) HN (37) 2
Rosberg: MU HN (14) HN (38) 2
Di Resta: MU HN (21)   1
Kobayashi: MU HN (20)   1
Senna: MN HN (24)   1
Maldonado: HN MN (13) MN (35) 2
Ricciardo: MN HN (24)   1
D’Ambrosio: HN MN (27)   1
Kovalainen: MN HN (17) MN (39) 2
Petrov: MN HN (19) MN (40) 2
Pic: MN HN (18) HN (35) 2
Glock: MN HN (7) HN (32) 2
De La Rosa: MN HN (22)   1
Kartikeyan: MN HN (23)   1
Webber: MN HU (21)   1 DNF
Hülkenberg: HN MN (27)   1 DNF
Vettel: MU HN (20) DT (34) 2 DNF
Button: MU HN (22)   1 NC
Vergne: MU     0 NC

 

The first column denotes the tyres the driver started the race on.

M = Medium compound
H = Hard compound
N = New compound
U = Used compound

DNF = Did not finish
NC = Not classified

DT = Drive Through

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by darrenyc » 09 Sep 2012, 16:36

Webber has really fallen off the pace since he resigned for RB. qualifying out of the top 10 and generally poor pace in the races..

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by Eric_Cartman » 09 Sep 2012, 17:44

Lewis Hamilton is now one of 7 drivers that won all 4 classic race tracks: Monaco, Silverstone, Spa and Monza

Michael Schumacher (Monza 5x, Spa 6x, Silverstone 3x, Monaco 5x --> 19 wins)
Ayrton Senna (Monza 2x, Spa 5x, Silverstone 1x, Monaco 6x --> 14 wins)
Alain Prost (Monza 2x, Spa 2x, Silverstone 5x, Monaco 4x --> 13 wins)
Juan Manuel Fangio (Monza 3x, Spa 3x, Silverstone 1x, Monaco 2x --> 9 wins)
David Coulthard (Monza 1x, Spa 1x, Silverstone 2x, Monaco 2x --> 6 wins)
Sebastian Vettel (Monza 2x , Spa 1x, Silverstone 1x, Monaco 1x --> 5 wins)
Lewis Hamilton (Monza 1x, Spa 1x, Silverstone 1x, Monaco 1x --> 4 wins)
FC BAYERN 7 - BARCELONA 0

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by Edi96 » 09 Sep 2012, 18:10

The European season is over now. Here is the final championship standing with European races only:
1. Alonso 126
2. Räikkönen 103
3. Webber 78
4. Vettel 75
5. Hamilton 68
6. Button 58
7. Massa 44
8. Schumacher 41
9. Rosberg 40
10. Grosjean 35
11. Hülkenberg 29
12. Perez 28
13. Maldonado 25
14. Kobayashi 24
15. di Resta 17
16. Senna 11
17. Vergne 4
18. Ricciardo 2

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by phil1993 » 09 Sep 2012, 18:17

Maldonado 25. Lmao, all in one race :lol:

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by donald29 » 09 Sep 2012, 18:20

:lol: Every race since then that win has seemed more and more bizarre. So bizarre because it was such a good drive. A straight fight against the best driver in the field and he won. It was a brilliant drive. Since then...

Most interesting driver on that classic tracks list, the one that sticks out, for me is DC.

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by phil1993 » 09 Sep 2012, 18:33

Edi96 wrote:The European season is over now. Here is the final championship standing with European races only:
12. Perez 28


Now that's surprising.

I always call Canada as part of the European season, even though it isn't.

Early flyaways, European season (irrespective of whether it's Europe!) and then the end flyaways.

Seven non-European races to end the year, crikey. That's tough.

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Re: Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander D'Italia 2012

Post by antyk » 09 Sep 2012, 18:59

If we compare Lewis' (3 wins, 6 podiums) and Kimi's (0 wins, 6 podiums) season so far, we can see how important consistence is. Despite winning 3 races, Lewis is only 1 point ahead of Kimi. Mclaren really can't afford any DNF's more, if they want fight for the championship.
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