2012 - Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland

Who will win the German Grand Prix?

Poll ended at 21 Jul 2012, 19:53

Fernando Alonso
6
19%
Mark Webber
2
6%
Sebastian Vettel
3
10%
Lewis Hamilton
5
16%
Kimi Raikkonen
7
23%
Nico Rosberg
0
No votes
Romain Grosjean
0
No votes
Jenson Button
2
6%
Sergio Perez
1
3%
Pastor Maldonado
0
No votes
Paul di Resta
0
No votes
Michael Schumacher
4
13%
Felipe Massa
1
3%
 
Total votes: 31

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Re: 2012 - Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland

Post by Eric_Cartman » 22 Jul 2012, 16:06

I would like to see Button's second pit stop. 2.31 seconds. That's amazing!
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Post by JoostLamers » 22 Jul 2012, 16:08

Oh ffs, f you Vettel, calling Hamilton stupid? Learn the rules, unlapping yourself is absolutely legal! He put in the fastest lap after he overtook you. Come on! Get over it, Seb
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Post by mikedc73 » 22 Jul 2012, 16:08

Green Flag wrote:
mikedc73 wrote:
Green Flag wrote:About the Button-Vettel incident, why there even is a tarmac runoff at the exit of a slow corner? Surely it is not needed for safety reasons?
Send an email to Hermann Tilke and ask.

mailbox@tilke.de

Let us know if you get an answer
I gather others have tried and failed? :)

Actually I wonder if the track designer gets much freedom in these things? There is probably some FIA rulebook five inches thick which defines these things...
He has a c**p web site for an architect!

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Post by darrenyc » 22 Jul 2012, 16:14

Eric_Cartman wrote:I would like to see Button's second pit stop. 2.31 seconds. That's amazing!
fastest F1 pitstop ever! Brundle was saying if they went any faster, they would have to slow-mo the pitstop for viewers to see anything!

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Post by iceman1 » 22 Jul 2012, 16:16

JoostLamers wrote:Oh ffs, f you Vettel, calling Hamilton stupid? Learn the rules, unlapping yourself is absolutely legal! He put in the fastest lap after he overtook you. Come on! Get over it, Seb
He didn't say Hamilton is stupid. He said the move was stupid.

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Post by donald29 » 22 Jul 2012, 16:21

My inner troll want to post 'but Hamilton is stupid'. :p

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Post by iceman1 » 22 Jul 2012, 16:23

I feel sorry for Grosjean, but he should focus next time :zz:
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He just wants to overtake and score points.

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Re: 2012 - Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland

Post by darrenyc » 22 Jul 2012, 16:24

hamilton was so unlucky in his 100th GP. the McLaren looked like it was the fastest car out there yet he was the only retirement in the race...

at least he added to the excitement when he got mixed up in the lead battle for awhile..

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Post by donald29 » 22 Jul 2012, 16:26

Yeah driving into a car that has lost its front wing is not great.

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Post by tderias » 22 Jul 2012, 16:28

So much for stewards consistency. If Hamilton got away with Bahrain, Vettel shouldn't be punished for this. Both are illegal in my view.

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Post by Green Flag » 22 Jul 2012, 16:31

tderias wrote:So much for stewards consistency. If Hamilton got away with Bahrain, Vettel shouldn't be punished for this. Both are illegal in my view.
Weren't the rules clarified at some point after Bahrain? I seem to remember this, but my memory is like a sieve, so... :lol:

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Post by tderias » 22 Jul 2012, 16:43

Green Flag wrote:
tderias wrote:So much for stewards consistency. If Hamilton got away with Bahrain, Vettel shouldn't be punished for this. Both are illegal in my view.
Weren't the rules clarified at some point after Bahrain? I seem to remember this, but my memory is like a sieve, so... :lol:
They were, but only regarding giving space to another car when approaching a corner. The rule stating that off-track overtakes are illegal still stands. Vettel's was clearly off-track, while in Hamilton's case, it was either a penalty to Rosberg for obstruction, or to Lewis for an off-track overtake. No penalty was given to either, and now we get Vettel penalised.

Consistency = 0. Simples.

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Post by Green Flag » 22 Jul 2012, 16:53

tderias wrote:
Green Flag wrote:
tderias wrote:So much for stewards consistency. If Hamilton got away with Bahrain, Vettel shouldn't be punished for this. Both are illegal in my view.
Weren't the rules clarified at some point after Bahrain? I seem to remember this, but my memory is like a sieve, so... :lol:
They were, but only regarding giving space to another car when approaching a corner. The rule stating that off-track overtakes are illegal still stands. Vettel's was clearly off-track, while in Hamilton's case, it was either a penalty to Rosberg for obstruction, or to Lewis for an off-track overtake. No penalty was given to either, and now we get Vettel penalised.

Consistency = 0. Simples.
Yes, you are right, thanks :) Apparently Hamilton was "unofficially reprimanded" for overtaking off the track in Bahrain:
http://www.f1zone.net/news/hamilton-luc ... ing/13898/

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Re: 2012 - Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland

Post by sleenster » 22 Jul 2012, 17:05

Hmm I guess Lotus was right when they predicted before the start of the race they would get a podium :lol:

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Post by JoostLamers » 22 Jul 2012, 17:42

Also, I can't believe no one got a warning for exceeding the track limits and gaining advantages. Just say the BBC highlights of the race: Vettel exceeded the track limits 3 laps in a row after turn 11 and not even a warning. As I said during the race: Alonso just before the penultimate corner, nearly every lap! Just incredible in my opinion nothing was said about it.
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