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 Post subject: Re: Kimi Red Bull Rally Monster
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 10:21  
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Who knows - i reckon until we hear from Red Bull re the contract extension or from Kimi on his future anything can happen.

I would be surprised if Red Bull were to rush to sign him after two good races, and essentially when his stock is at the highest allowing him to dictate terms rather than the other way around. I think they'll wait a bit.... they would be foolish not to.

On another note - this is the perfect example of how fickle F1 is - a few weeks ago Webber was definitely going to be retired from Red Bull, now he apparently has not only Red Bull but Ferrari after his signature - how things change :O


This is valid for the media and fans on forums. Believe me that the teams know very well the situation. For example, Webber is known quantity for RedBull, he's been driving for them for 3years already.

So, what you said about how fickle F1 is, goes only for the media and fans. The teams with so many specialists and investing so much money, know exactly each driver's abbilities.


So was Kimi too, wasn't he? Remember the things about: If Kimi doesn't lift up his performance in the end season 2009 then he will be shown the door.

His performances had nothing to do with the fact that he was already going out no matter what.

They say that it's Dieter who makes the calls alone. He will listen to Marko but Horner has nothing to say. We don't know what Dieter has in mind, only that he wanted to sponsor Kimi and Leo Turrini said that it's a long contract and he will be in Red Bull in 2011.

Then there's last season's champion Jenson Button. He wasn't exactly the hottest name on the market in 2009 but he won with the good car.

All and all, we don't know if Mark's performances have any bearing. They might not matter at all. Then again now it looks as if Webber and his engineer won't share the data with Vettel - something isn't right within the team if that happens.

How can Horner for example allow it? Unless he is satisfied with Dieter's plans, perhaps?

Bottom line is that there might well be going on something that we don't see at all. Ferrari gave their 'it's a definite maybe' when asked about Kimi's contract during season 2009 too, didn't they :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Kimi Red Bull Rally Monster
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 10:38  
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beefree88 wrote:
Well, I have the impression, that Webber not only has the ruthlessness that's needed to win the WDC, but he's willing to go beyond what's fair if that brings him closer to his goal.
Now that he's on a roll, he might try to fight Vettel off the track too


Agree!!

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It's sad if it's true that Mark's team is not sharing info with Vettel's. I really thought that this was one team where everybody was treated fairly? Is there a chance that Mark is getting insecure about his teammate? Hhmmm...


You know I saw sadness on Seb's face during the ceremony in Monaco, also after quali too. Sadness I haven't seen on his face before... strange, I thought. :fear:

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 Post subject: Re: Off-topic thread for rally fans
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 10:59  
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OOOh Moomi that´s great work...bet your kids will love it.
Oh damn I find it heart-melting! :lol:

As you can see :)
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So cute!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Off-topic thread for rally fans
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 11:01  
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OOOh Moomi that´s great work...bet your kids will love it.
Oh damn I find it heart-melting! :lol:

As you can see :)
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awwww you must be a fantastic daddy, Moominpappa! :cool:

The kids are very cute, thanks for the photo! :wave:

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 Post subject: Re: Off-topic thread for rally fans
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 11:02  
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Claudie_Schnaudie wrote:
OOOh Moomi that´s great work...bet your kids will love it.
Oh damn I find it heart-melting! :lol:

As you can see :)
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your little girl is so cute moomin
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 Post subject: Re: Kimi Red Bull Rally Monster
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 11:29  
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I'm so hoping Mikael would come here too. He went ballistic when he read the news about changing the regulation so that a spare car is allowed even though they should be cutting costs - hope you don't get offended by his writings :lol:

- We cannot leave viewers without a chance to enjoy the biggest star in qualification. We discussed with other teams to see if we could change the regulation, Domenicali said to AS-magazine.
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Mikael:

Oh my God. We all know how out of his mind he is - but to see this insanity steering Ferrari. I wonder if Domi sleeps on Alonso-sheets. Imagine if Alonso for example sprains his ankle. We will have to miss the GP's and wait for his ankle to heal.

I'm sure Massa also likes to hear these things. Alonso needs a spare car because he is the biggest star in the sport. Oh and by the way, how is your head feeling, Felipe-baby?

There is no normality in the same picture anymore. I wonder how other teams welcome this discussion. Yeah Domi, which star are you talking about.

But at least it became clear who is the real team manager in Ferrari.

Next thing Domi will insist on is that a star of this caliber doesn't have to start on the dirty side of the track. It already became clear that overtaking the star will be penalised. After that few circuits are removed from the calendar since the star isn't at his best in front of the paying audience (unless his team mate is allowed to drive into the wall). It would also be reasonable that Newey would hand over his technical drawings to the star so that he wouldn't have to use so much energy on spying. And since he already is a team manager he doesn't have to blackmail the current team manager with his revelations. It also seemed unreasonable, but fortunately the situation is now rectified, that a mediocre supporting driver gets to drive with the same machinery like happened in McLaren. They took the 6 tenths at the same time. It's also unforgivable to write all kinds of things about the star in the press without taking responsibility like they do for example in the Spanish press.

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And when it comes to fans, some fans were really pleased to watch Alonso drive into the wall. Very pleased indeed.

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 Post subject: Re: Kimi Red Bull Rally Monster
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 11:29  
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Then there's last season's champion Jenson Button. He wasn't exactly the hottest name on the market in 2009 but he won with the good car.

All and all, we don't know if Mark's performances have any bearing. They might not matter at all. Then again now it looks as if Webber and his engineer won't share the data with Vettel - something isn't right within the team if that happens.

You write so well. Again one good thing from Kimi: he don't see that it's important to hide data from his teammate :cool: Kimi is still faster driver than Webber in my eyes, perhaps they think that in RB too. But we don't know almost anything (and I still want that Kimi continue in WRC).

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 Post subject: Re: Kimi Red Bull Rally Monster
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 11:37  
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- We cannot leave viewers without a chance to enjoy the biggest star in qualification. We discussed with other teams to see if we could change the regulation, Domenicali said to AS-magazine.
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Oh my Dear God!!!! The biggest star?!?!! Hahaaaaaaaa :rofl: It seems that Alonso is the team principal and Domi is his driver and not the other way around?! Domi, just goooo and kiss his ass! LOL It's ridiculous and disgusting at the same time. Domi is more biased when it comes to Alonso than blinded Kimi fans like me! LOOOL

Poor Massa... no, eat this Massa. Now you can feel it on your own skin how does it feel to be the "not liked driver" at Ferrari... Exactly like this. Kimi could talk about it (but he won't of course) :p

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 Post subject: Re: Kimi Red Bull Rally Monster
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 11:47  
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Kinga wrote:
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- We cannot leave viewers without a chance to enjoy the biggest star in qualification. We discussed with other teams to see if we could change the regulation, Domenicali said to AS-magazine.
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so when the biggest star is an A-hole and wrecking his car he has to be treated differently. Maybe they have to reserve the pole position for the biggest star so it will be a lot easier to find him. :<>:
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 Post subject: Re: Kimi Red Bull Rally Monster
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 11:58  
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Kinga wrote:
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- We cannot leave viewers without a chance to enjoy the biggest star in qualification. We discussed with other teams to see if we could change the regulation, Domenicali said to AS-magazine.
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Oh my Dear God!!!! The biggest star?!?!! Hahaaaaaaaa :rofl: It seems that Alonso is the team principal and Domi is his driver and not the other way around?! Domi, just goooo and kiss his ass! LOL It's ridiculous and disgusting at the same time. Domi is more biased when it comes to Alonso than blinded Kimi fans like me! LOOOL

Poor Massa... no, eat this Massa. Now you can feel it on your own skin how does it feel to be the "not liked driver" at Ferrari... Exactly like this. Kimi could talk about it (but he won't of course) :p


Alonso is god :roll:: :zz: :p
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 Post subject: Re: Kimi Red Bull Rally Monster
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 12:33  
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Wolfie wrote:
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Way to go, kracer :cool:
Bummer, Webber did win after all, although I should learn to trust my instincts more. At morning I felt he is going to win and then after long meeting here I saw what had happened...well, there was safety car a few times but thats it. &doh
Webber drove well , though.
Kimi stayed out of the headlines and I think its good.


@ Pauline - way to go :shhh:

@ Dindi, take care :hug:

@ Apple, according to your intution what's going on in Red Bull? I read that Webber's race engineer has found something good that has taken the car forward but they won't share the data with Vettel. Is Vettel the one leaving since it's difficult to understand that Horner would let one of them keep information that would benefit the whole team to himself?

Oi, the overtake in the end - sweet - although it was penalised later but it was worth watching. Like China re-visited, being overtaken when least expected ;)

You want to know what I really feel right now?
Ok, first of all, I feel Seb is unsecure as he has noticed the team bosses has been noticing Webber more. So Seb is a little unsure whats going to happen and thats why he talked about Ferrari so positive way.We dont know what has happened if and when Vettel went to talk to Horner about data exchange. Horner on the other hand has now in his hands a situation he hasnt been earlier, he has a winning team and winning teams pressures. He has now probably faced a situation where Mark demands preferred position as he is the driver that has found something about the car. Thats why I think they need Markos and Mateschitzis comments as they are the real bosses not Horner.
Maybe Vettel has somewhere behind his mind a nagging little mouse who says"Webber has Horner tied nicely around his little finger" and thats why Vettel sure looks sad and unsure in my opinion.
On the other hand he has a finnish trainer who probably knows how to coach mentally in these situations. Now is the time to Vettel to show his mental strenght and the enemy comes from his own team. I think everybody in his team are waiting for Vettels answer on track and thank god they give him opportunity to give it.
Marko already commented Vettels talks about Ferrari. What he really said was" we are still behind you".
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 Post subject: Re: Kimi Red Bull Rally Monster
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 13:34  
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Its not Horner who decides the lineup, its Dietrich Mateschitz's and his motor sport adviser Helmut Marko. So according to Horners words they would like to keep Webber but no talks have started yet. But according to Marko's words , he said.

"It is our desire to continue with Vettel and Webber,

Talking about Webber's negotiations

"Of course, the management uses it for salary negotiations. But we know what he is worth to us."


Those are strong words.
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 Post subject: Re: Kimi Red Bull Rally Monster
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 13:53  
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Kinga wrote:
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- We cannot leave viewers without a chance to enjoy the biggest star in qualification. We discussed with other teams to see if we could change the regulation, Domenicali said to AS-magazine.
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Oh my Dear God!!!! The biggest star?!?!! Hahaaaaaaaa :rofl: It seems that Alonso is the team principal and Domi is his driver and not the other way around?! Domi, just goooo and kiss his ass! LOL It's ridiculous and disgusting at the same time. Domi is more biased when it comes to Alonso than blinded Kimi fans like me! LOOOL

Poor Massa... no, eat this Massa. Now you can feel it on your own skin how does it feel to be the "not liked driver" at Ferrari... Exactly like this. Kimi could talk about it (but he won't of course) :p


gosh..... The biggest star ???? &doh &doh &doh
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 Post subject: Re: Off-topic thread for rally fans
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 14:51  
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WOW!! what a great work you did, Moominpappa :thumbsup:
I am impressed it took only a day!!! and I love the pic with kids :)
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 Post subject: Re: Off-topic thread for rally fans
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 15:39  
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Moominpappa wrote:
Claudie_Schnaudie wrote:
OOOh Moomi that´s great work...bet your kids will love it.
Oh damn I find it heart-melting! :lol:

As you can see :)
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Almost as if you don't want us to think that your son could be wearing a pink shirt :p...
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