2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Who will win the 2009 Belgian Grand Prix?

Poll ended at 29 Aug 2009, 15:27

Jenson Button
2
3%
Rubens Barrichello
2
3%
Mark Webber
7
12%
Sebastian Vettel
9
15%
Nico Rosberg
0
No votes
Lewis Hamilton
12
20%
Kimi Raikkonen
22
37%
Jarno Trulli
1
2%
Timo Glock
1
2%
Heikki Kovalainen
0
No votes
Other
3
5%
 
Total votes: 59

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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by sejtur » 31 Aug 2009, 11:37

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Lemans3 wrote:Kimi is taking a habit of running wide in the 1st corner. To be honest, I believe he had deliberatly planned to do this - and I feel he got too much advantage of it.
some say it is legal, but I think he should have been penalized, since he got a way better exit and taking much more speed than the others who were "on" the track.
Kimi did the same a few years ago in the McLaren.

He might have planned this before and it gave him an advantage, noyt because he could carry extra speed but he could deploy KERS with a clear track unlike for eg hamilton who had a red bull infront of him when he used KERS after the hairpin..


Kimi only used KERS from radillon.
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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by shailf1 » 31 Aug 2009, 12:56

sejtur wrote:
shail69 wrote:
Lemans3 wrote:Kimi is taking a habit of running wide in the 1st corner. To be honest, I believe he had deliberatly planned to do this - and I feel he got too much advantage of it.
some say it is legal, but I think he should have been penalized, since he got a way better exit and taking much more speed than the others who were "on" the track.
Kimi did the same a few years ago in the McLaren.

He might have planned this before and it gave him an advantage, noyt because he could carry extra speed but he could deploy KERS with a clear track unlike for eg hamilton who had a red bull infront of him when he used KERS after the hairpin..


Kimi only used KERS from radillon.

do you mean from the top of ea rogue.. I dont think so, i think he used some after the hairpin and passed heidifeld and trulli and the n used the remaining to pass kubica..

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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by hannibal_rising » 31 Aug 2009, 13:00

Lemans3 wrote:Kimi is taking a habit of running wide in the 1st corner. To be honest, I believe he had deliberatly planned to do this - and I feel he got too much advantage of it.
some say it is legal, but I think he should have been penalized, since he got a way better exit and taking much more speed than the others who were "on" the track.
Kimi did the same a few years ago in the McLaren.


I don't think he planned it, but certainly when two cars closed the track in front of him he could have stay there and lost positions. Instead of that he took the outside and kept the position. Depends on if you believe or not if he had the chance of staying in the track or there was no way of not being hit.

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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by sejtur » 31 Aug 2009, 13:06

shail69 wrote:
sejtur wrote:
shail69 wrote:
Lemans3 wrote:Kimi is taking a habit of running wide in the 1st corner. To be honest, I believe he had deliberatly planned to do this - and I feel he got too much advantage of it.
some say it is legal, but I think he should have been penalized, since he got a way better exit and taking much more speed than the others who were "on" the track.
Kimi did the same a few years ago in the McLaren.

He might have planned this before and it gave him an advantage, noyt because he could carry extra speed but he could deploy KERS with a clear track unlike for eg hamilton who had a red bull infront of him when he used KERS after the hairpin..


Kimi only used KERS from radillon.

do you mean from the top of ea rogue.. I dont think so, i think he used some after the hairpin and passed heidifeld and trulli and the n used the remaining to pass kubica..


Well, he said it himself, I read it in the transcript of the PC. And yes radillon is the top of the eau rouge.
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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by sejtur » 31 Aug 2009, 13:07

hannibal_rising wrote:
Lemans3 wrote:Kimi is taking a habit of running wide in the 1st corner. To be honest, I believe he had deliberatly planned to do this - and I feel he got too much advantage of it.
some say it is legal, but I think he should have been penalized, since he got a way better exit and taking much more speed than the others who were "on" the track.
Kimi did the same a few years ago in the McLaren.


I don't think he planned it, but certainly when two cars closed the track in front of him he could have stay there and lost positions. Instead of that he took the outside and kept the position. Depends on if you believe or not if he had the chance of staying in the track or there was no way of not being hit.


He could stay on the track but that would of meant almost a full stop. Not safe either for the people coming from the back.
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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by Tom Vandenhove » 31 Aug 2009, 13:07

Just one question ... why is everybody crying about Kimi ? Button went wide as well ! :zz:

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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by shailf1 » 31 Aug 2009, 13:09

sejtur wrote:
hannibal_rising wrote:
Lemans3 wrote:Kimi is taking a habit of running wide in the 1st corner. To be honest, I believe he had deliberatly planned to do this - and I feel he got too much advantage of it.
some say it is legal, but I think he should have been penalized, since he got a way better exit and taking much more speed than the others who were "on" the track.
Kimi did the same a few years ago in the McLaren.


I don't think he planned it, but certainly when two cars closed the track in front of him he could have stay there and lost positions. Instead of that he took the outside and kept the position. Depends on if you believe or not if he had the chance of staying in the track or there was no way of not being hit.


He could stay on the track but that would of meant almost a full stop. Not safe either for the people coming from the back.

I dont think going off track to pass is illegal specially if you are talking a longer route..i think sutil went utside the track on the exit of pouhon to pass badoer as well..

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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by Tom Vandenhove » 31 Aug 2009, 13:52

Sorry for coming back on old discussions. But on following picture it's very easy to see that Grosjean had nowhere to go when Button closed the door ...
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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by shämito » 31 Aug 2009, 15:09

Tom Vandenhove wrote:Sorry for coming back on old discussions. But on following picture it's very easy to see that Grosjean had nowhere to go when Button closed the door ...
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I said, that Button was so greed (and stupid). He is losing championship

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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by JoostLamers » 31 Aug 2009, 16:48

Tom Vandenhove wrote:Sorry for coming back on old discussions. But on following picture it's very easy to see that Grosjean had nowhere to go when Button closed the door ...

Grosjean shouldn't be there, he hasn't got the racing line, Button has. Grosjean is very wrong here
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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by shailf1 » 31 Aug 2009, 16:56

joostlamers wrote:
Tom Vandenhove wrote:Sorry for coming back on old discussions. But on following picture it's very easy to see that Grosjean had nowhere to go when Button closed the door ...

Grosjean shouldn't be there, he hasn't got the racing line, Button has. Grosjean is very wrong here

at the start of a grad prix there are 20 cars, they are more focused on gaining or stop losing positions rather than looking after the racing line. It was a racing incident. Grosjean spun Button and then Button collected Grosjean as he went to the barrier.

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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by Tom Vandenhove » 31 Aug 2009, 17:08

shail69 wrote:
joostlamers wrote:
Tom Vandenhove wrote:Sorry for coming back on old discussions. But on following picture it's very easy to see that Grosjean had nowhere to go when Button closed the door ...

Grosjean shouldn't be there, he hasn't got the racing line, Button has. Grosjean is very wrong here

at the start of a grad prix there are 20 cars, they are more focused on gaining or stop losing positions rather than looking after the racing line. It was a racing incident. Grosjean spun Button and then Button collected Grosjean as he went to the barrier.

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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by AzShadow » 31 Aug 2009, 17:14

Tom Vandenhove wrote:Just one question ... why is everybody crying about Kimi ? Button went wide as well ! :zz:
Because Button is British and Kimi won the race. Again, many drivers go wide in that corner each year but it's just when their hated driver wins that the outrage starts.
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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by shailf1 » 31 Aug 2009, 18:02

AzShadow wrote:
Tom Vandenhove wrote:Just one question ... why is everybody crying about Kimi ? Button went wide as well ! :zz:
Because Button is British and Kimi won the race. Again, many drivers go wide in that corner each year but it's just when their hated driver wins that the outrage starts.

its just because people dont care about the slow guys behind.. :lol: :p

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Re: 2009 ING Belgian Grand Prix

Post by Tom Vandenhove » 31 Aug 2009, 18:05

shail69 wrote:
AzShadow wrote:
Tom Vandenhove wrote:Just one question ... why is everybody crying about Kimi ? Button went wide as well ! :zz:
Because Button is British and Kimi won the race. Again, many drivers go wide in that corner each year but it's just when their hated driver wins that the outrage starts.

its just because people dont care about the slow guys behind.. :lol: :p

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