2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Who will win the 2008 Formula One Drivers Championship?

Lewis Hamilton
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59%
Felipe Massa
48
41%
 
Total votes: 118

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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by Schumfs » 24 Oct 2008, 12:17

Ali wrote:
Haukinen wrote:You got a point there:

Australia 1986-winner Prost
Australia 1991-winner Senna
Australia 1996-winner Hill
Australia 1998-winner Häkkinen
Australia 2000-winner Schumacher
Australia 2001-winner Schumacher
Australia 2002-winner Schumacher
Australia 2004-winner Schumacher
Australia 2006-winner Alonso
Australia 2007-winner Räikkönen
Australia 2008-winner Hamilton

Interesting... ''hmm''

Statistics is the scientific way of lying. Someone may come up with different statistics regarding the correlation between Aussi GP and WDC and he or she may still be right :)

McLaren won't be so hard on Lewis' engine so they may try a conservative approach during qualifying but that could leave Lewis into middle pack and vulnerable for a first corner accident, which is inevitable rather than probable in Interlagos. McLaren should find a way of good compromise.

Edit: Let me tell you a joke about statisticians. Three candidates apply for a job in a company. One of them is Mathematician, other is Economist and the last one is Statistician. One by one they enter into boss' room and interview with him. He asks just one question to each of them: "What is the result of 2+2?" Here are the answers: Mathematician says 4, Economist says 4 ± 0.01 and lastly Statistician says "What would you like it to be?"


I completely agree with Ali.
He speaks the truth :)
and rofl @ the joke. I also heared it here in Greece :P Maybe its a worldwide joke :P
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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by Ali » 24 Oct 2008, 12:20

Schumfs wrote:I completely agree with Ali.
He speaks the truth :)
and rofl @ the joke. I also heared it here in Greece :P Maybe its a worldwide joke :P

:)
Yeah, it might be. Btw, no offense intended to Statisticians, just a joke :thumbsup:
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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by fclen » 24 Oct 2008, 12:24

We need him to qualify right in front of Nakjima...

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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by JoostLamers » 24 Oct 2008, 12:46

musashi_sw wrote:here in brazil have a campagain, "rubens, hit on lewis!"
they're start to say to rubens to finish his f1 carrer giving brazil a formula 1 title by crashing into hamilton's car
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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by megasyxx » 24 Oct 2008, 15:28

swca92 wrote:That comment about Ferrari "Scoring a goal in the 90th minute",does that mean find a way to disqualify Hamilton after the race and gift Ferrari the championship?...


let's hope not...... :sad:
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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by megasyxx » 24 Oct 2008, 15:32

syafiqa wrote:Australia gp 2006-winner alonso.......WDC 2006-alonso
Australia gp 2007-winner kimi...........WDC 2007-kimi
Australia gp 2008-winner hamy.........WDC 2008-????

from the last two years the winner of Australian gp was crowned as WDC.
Is it WDC goes to hamy this year??


don't jinx the guy....... :pout:
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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by Fergie1 » 24 Oct 2008, 16:01

Some Brazillian will probably shoot Lewis in the head anyway before he even gets to the circuit.

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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by fclen » 24 Oct 2008, 16:32

Or they'll steal his bags at the hotel and he won't be able to win without his lucky socks!!!
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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by shailf1 » 24 Oct 2008, 20:52

swca92 wrote:That comment about Ferrari "Scoring a goal in the 90th minute",does that mean find a way to disqualify Hamilton after the race and gift Ferrari the championship?...

Well, they need to score a hat trick in the 90th minute.
One goal would not be enough

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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by Schumfs » 24 Oct 2008, 21:18

ROFL. Maybe they'll throw a banana when Lewis passing inside the circuit. :P
Its incredible that everyone is trying to find something for Lewis not to win :P
That's the spirit ;)
Keep it up.
Lewis is gonna DNF! :D
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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by ric.rios » 25 Oct 2008, 00:48

Fergie1 wrote:Some Brazillian will probably shoot Lewis in the head anyway before he even gets to the circuit.

For we lost the Brazilian GP?
No, thanks.
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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by Fergie1 » 25 Oct 2008, 01:04

Schumfs wrote:ROFL. Maybe they'll throw a banana when Lewis passing inside the circuit. :P
Its incredible that everyone is trying to find something for Lewis not to win :P
That's the spirit ;)
Keep it up.
Lewis is gonna DNF! :D

So is Massa. :wave:

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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by Schumfs » 25 Oct 2008, 03:33

Fergie1 wrote:
Schumfs wrote:ROFL. Maybe they'll throw a banana when Lewis passing inside the circuit. :P
Its incredible that everyone is trying to find something for Lewis not to win :P
That's the spirit ;)
Keep it up.
Lewis is gonna DNF! :D

So is Massa. :wave:


Hmmm, I prefer Lewis and Kimi. :wave:
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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by iceman1 » 25 Oct 2008, 06:51

Back on topic -

Interlagos Tech File

Interlagos is a circuit of contrasting extremes, combining slow hairpins with one of the longest straights of the season. Sitting in a natural bowl, it undulates throughout its 4.309 km length, and is notorious for its bumpy surface – although this was improved by resurfacing in 2004.

The physical demands of the bumpy circuit are intensified by the fact that it runs anti-clockwise, subjecting the drivers’ necks to the opposite loadings as at a normal track. It is a circuit where overtaking is possible, particularly on the entry to turn 1, and the set-up compromise therefore tends to favour straightline speed over optimum lap-time, to ensure the drivers can make up positions, and defend them, during the 71-lap race.

Chassis

Aerodynamics: The contrasting nature of the Interlagos circuit makes very different demands on the R26. The first and last sectors are made up primarily of long straights, where good top speeds are necessary to maintain competitiveness and protect position; this means low level of downforce are required. However, the middle sector requires the opposite: high downforce to ensure good grip under acceleration, braking and cornering through the twisting series of hairpins. Balancing these requirements gives us an optimum downforce setting for achieving the fastest possible lap-time. At this point, though, we must also consider the demands of racing around other cars, rather than just in isolation. In order to do so successfully, we need competitive speeds at the end of the long main straight – and achieving these may drag us away from our optimum downforce, to a slightly lower setting which allows the drivers to overtake and defend their position into turn 1.

Mechanical Set-up: The combination of high and low speed corners means it is hard to find a suitable mechanical compromise at Interlagos. Just as with our choice of aero level, we priorities certain sectors of the circuit over others. The most important corner at Interlagos is turn 12, as it determines your speed along the uphill main straight – a full throttle period lasting over 15 seconds. We therefore pay special attention ensuring the car gets a good exit from this corner, even though this can generate some slow-speed understeer in the middle sector. However, any losses incurred with this understeer are outweighed by the benefits in lap-time and competitiveness achieved in sector 3. The second important factor for the mechanical set-up is the track surface. Traditionally considered very bumpy, it used to force the teams to compromise their ideal ride heights. However, the resurfacing in 2004 improved this situation and now means that we can run our optimum ride heights.

Tyres: Interlagos includes relatively few high-speed corners with high lateral loadings on the tyres. Coupled with a track surface that is not particularly abrasive, this means we can use relatively soft tyres. These can be vulnerable to graining in colder-than-expected conditions, while rear tyres temperatures are also carefully monitored. The numerous traction events, and particularly the propensity of the inside rear tyre to spin in the slow corners, can lead to problems if they are not kept under check.

Weather conditions: The Brazilian GP weekend is often affected by rain at some point, and when it rains, it pours at Interlagos… Michelin’s wet weather tyres have demonstrated excellent competitiveness in recent races, but wet conditions at Interlagos carry their own dangers. Most notably, the cambers and undulations of the circuit can lead to rivers down the hill between turns 1 and 2, across the track at turn 3 and on the main straight after turn 12. These unpredictable conditions can turn the race into a lottery.

Engine

Performance: The long main straight at Interlagos means engine power is a critical factor at this circuit. All the engines, though, must contend with the effects of running at altitude, as the circuit is situation around 800m above sea level. The reduced atmospheric pressure costs the engines around 7% of their power output; as a result, the 67% of the lap spent at full throttle is equivalent to 62% at sea level. While this reduces the demands on some components such as the pistons, other parts of the engine such as the crankshaft are still subjected to significant loadings. Furthermore, both Renault drivers will benefit from new engines at this race. These units will only have to complete a single race cycle, rather than two weekends, and the performance potential of the engines will be allocated accordingly.

Driveability: Just as the contrasting mix of straights and slow corners has consequences for the chassis set-up, it also puts the emphasis on particular engine characteristics. A driveable engine is particularly important in the middle sector of the lap, through turns 8/9/10, as the drivers are running in the lowest gears, with sudden changes of direction and throttle and brake inputs. Smooth power delivery allows them to take the optimum line, without disrupting the balance of the car. The same characteristics bring their rewards in wet conditions as well.

Short Video Highlights of Interlagos 2007

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Re: 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix - Title Decider

Post by blizzard » 25 Oct 2008, 10:11

Last time for the current aerodynamics.
Last time for grooved tyres.
Last time for the current wheelbase.

If I would be Renault, BMW or some other team who has nothing to lose anymore, I would tune the performance to the maximum for this race and don´t think about reliability.
It´s the last time these cars drive, you can metaphorically speaking "throw them away" after the race.

Ferrari and McLaren have to focus on reliability, whereas most of the other teams can squeeze their cars to the maximum, without possible consequences.
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