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Who will win the 2008 Japanese Grand Prix
Poll ended at 12 Oct 2008, 17:06
Lewis Hamilton 22%  22%  [ 18 ]
Felipe Massa 37%  37%  [ 31 ]
Robert Kubica 7%  7%  [ 6 ]
Kimi Räikkönen 16%  16%  [ 13 ]
Nick Heidfeld 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Heikki Kovalainen 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Fernando Alonso 13%  13%  [ 11 ]
Sebastian Vettel 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jarno Trulli 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Timo Glock 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Nico Rosberg 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Nelsinho Piquet 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Kazuki Nakajima 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 83
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 Post subject: Re: 2008 FORMULA 1™ Fuji Television Japanese Grand Prix
PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 16:47  
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phil1993 wrote:
So the next race will be that

Sanredrose, fergie1 and phil1993 are the 3 main stewards
Zack takes over the role of Charlie Whiting
Ali will take over the role of Herbie Blash
Iceman1 sits there in the corner crying :p


And I am gonna predict your moves which will be totally "justified" :p :p :p

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 Post subject: Re: 2008 FORMULA 1™ Fuji Television Japanese Grand Prix
PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 16:51  
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phil1993 wrote:
So the next race will be that

Sanredrose, fergie1 and phil1993 are the 3 main stewards
Zack takes over the role of Charlie Whiting
Ali will take over the role of Herbie Blash
Iceman1 sits there in the corner crying :p


I think the situation would be topsy turvey !
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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 16:54  
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Anyway, at the end of this, it is really wise to see the words of the pilots that were involved in those penalties.

Ron Dennis (answering for Lewis) said: We've all seen similar first corner incidents that triggered no such penalty
Felipe Massa said: In my opinion it was a normal running accident, for the incident with Lewis
and the clearest, justified and "in-this-world" answer given by Sebastien Bourdais:
What am I supposed to do? Roll out the red carpet?

This tells me that I am right in my previous post.
Non should got penalised in this race.

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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 16:59  
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phil1993 wrote:
So the next race will be that

Sanredrose, fergie1 and phil1993 are the 3 main stewards
Zack takes over the role of Charlie Whiting
Ali will take over the role of Herbie Blash
Iceman1 sits there in the corner crying :p

Can I press the button for the start lights instead of Zack? :p
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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 17:01  
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Schumfs wrote:
Anyway, at the end of this, it is really wise to see the words of the pilots that were involved in those penalties.

Ron Dennis (answering for Lewis) said: We've all seen similar first corner incidents that triggered no such penalty
Felipe Massa said: In my opinion it was a normal running accident, for the incident with Lewis
and the clearest, justified and "in-this-world" answer given by Sebastien Bourdais:
What am I supposed to do? Roll out the red carpet?

This tells me that I am right in my previous post.
Non should got penalised in this race.


You were right. Hamilton shouldn't have been penalized for first corner. Sebastian not for the pit lane exit & Massa .. Cmon wait .. Massa pushed Lewis, that warrants a penalty. But now its done and dusted. So no point in discussing it ! Race over Flag:##
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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 17:01  
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anyone knows when is the replay on aljazeera ? their website only has todays schedule and its not on today

tomorrow - 6pm (GMT time)


Thanks iceman, so god willing at 8pm i'll be here giving you guys my share of moaning and tell you how rubbish the stewards are :)

still have'nt read i single post and quickly scrolled down that pic with all the cars and drivers' names, I'm dying to see what happened :)
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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 17:01  
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Fergie1 wrote:
But the stewards are complete donkeys as its actually Kovy who hits Kimi in turn 1. Hamilton doesn't even touch Kimi, his lockup barely affects him.
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Kovy is not a championship contender, Hamilton is, that's why the FIA penalized Hamilton ( and Massa )
And even if Hamilton pushed Raikkonen off the track ( without hitting him ), he did not deserved a penalty for that! I remember back in 2001 in A1-Ring when Schumacher tried to Overtake rookie Montoya on the outside of the 2nd corner. Montoya outbraked himself and ran Schumi off the track! Montoya was not penalized for that ( for once ).
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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 17:02  
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Fergie1 wrote:
phil1993 wrote:
So the next race will be that

Sanredrose, fergie1 and phil1993 are the 3 main stewards
Zack takes over the role of Charlie Whiting
Ali will take over the role of Herbie Blash
Iceman1 sits there in the corner crying :p

Can I press the button for the start lights instead of Zack? :p


May be you can do Start light & Chequered Flag ?? Zack is little too old to do this job !! :shhh:
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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 17:03  
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Mitsuro Sano wrote:
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But the stewards are complete donkeys as its actually Kovy who hits Kimi in turn 1. Hamilton doesn't even touch Kimi, his lockup barely affects him.
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Kovy is not a championship contender, Hamilton is, that's why the FIA penalized Hamilton ( and Massa )
And even if Hamilton pushed Raikkonen off the track ( without hitting him ), he did not deserved a penalty for that! I remember back in 2001 in A1-Ring when Schumacher tried to Overtake rookie Montoya on the outside of the 2nd corner. Montoya outbraked himself and ran Schumi off the track! Montoya was not penalized for that ( for once ).


But Montoya was penalized when he pushed Rubens off the track at US GP in 2003. FIA penalized Hamilton because he is a Mclaren driver ! :shhh:
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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 17:04  
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sanredrose wrote:
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phil1993 wrote:
So the next race will be that

Sanredrose, fergie1 and phil1993 are the 3 main stewards
Zack takes over the role of Charlie Whiting
Ali will take over the role of Herbie Blash
Iceman1 sits there in the corner crying :p

Can I press the button for the start lights instead of Zack? :p


May be you can do Start light & Chequered Flag ?? Zack is little too old to do this job !! :shhh:

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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 17:12  
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sanredrose wrote:
Mitsuro Sano wrote:

Kovy is not a championship contender, Hamilton is, that's why the FIA penalized Hamilton ( and Massa )
And even if Hamilton pushed Raikkonen off the track ( without hitting him ), he did not deserved a penalty for that! I remember back in 2001 in A1-Ring when Schumacher tried to Overtake rookie Montoya on the outside of the 2nd corner. Montoya outbraked himself and ran Schumi off the track! Montoya was not penalized for that ( for once ).


But Montoya was penalized when he pushed Rubens off the track at US GP in 2003. FIA penalized Hamilton because he is a Mclaren driver ! :shhh:


Lol! :O It's the 3rd time he is penalized this year !
Last year, people said that Hamilton was the Golden boy of the FIA ( especially because of Europe 2007 )! Now it's the reverse!

Since 2002, FIA began to put more and more penalties ( even to Ferrari drivers! ) and sometimes that kills great races, great battle! The Massa-Hamilton or the Massa-Bourdais were racing incidents, but by the past drivers got penalties for those incidents and now we are comparing Fuji's incidents to previous incidents happened last couple of years.....
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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 17:24  
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That picture that has been posted is shot a little bit late. Hamilton and Kimi made contact at the beginning of the braking zone, this picture shows the end. Kimi himself said after the race, that he had been hit by both McLarens, a light touch by Hamilton which didn´t enable him to brake properly and a second touch from Kovalainen that pushed him off the road.


I think the penalty for Hamilton was justified, because no matter if they touched or not, his intention was to rund kimi off the road, so that he stays in the lead and kimi is 2nd at best or worse. In fact that ruined kimi´s race partly, without that manouver I´m sure he would have dictated the pace from upfront.

The same with Massa´s penalty, his move against Hamilton was as deliberate as u like.

Bourdais´ penalty was not justified, he came out of the pits and protected his line, no zig zag nothing, Massa just tried to overtake him round the outside and it didn´t work. Bourdais behaviour was hard and maybe even a bit unfair, but no justification for a penalty.

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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2008, 17:28  
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Why were both Massa and Hamilton given a penalty?
Massa should've been the only one with the penalty he made Lewis spin round like that into 18th place!!

FIA are a joke!

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Is there any penalty which was right and the driver deserved it and we didn't said that it was wrong?

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