shail69 wrote:f1.com race highlights are usually good.
ya the video was very good, the most thing that i liked it was at the end when lewis was celebrating and then the music stops and he had go inside for the race investigators
shail69 wrote:f1.com race highlights are usually good.
alonso5 wrote:Hamilton clearly cheated. he let raikonnen pass but only for a split second before immediately repassing him without fully giving pack the position.
alonso5 wrote:Hamilton clearly cheated. he let raikonnen pass but only for a split second before immediately repassing him without fully giving pack the position. which is why he was correctly penalised. but of course mclaren cheating is nothing new, whether it's on track in belgium or off track by stealing ferrari's info. they are also complete hypocrites. they say they don't want to see the championship decided by off track penalties/politics but they were glad to attempt to win last year's championship in court because the fuel in the bmw and williams was a degree off the the correct temperature.
scermat wrote:cause clearly, saying something ludicrous as "Hamilton kept his momentum to give him an advantage" means you're disagreeing with his laws of motion. and i have a hunch he wont like that (plus he'll give you tons of mathematical proofs on why he's right and you're not)
he must've been doing somersaults in his grave these past couple of days.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70469 wrote:Alonso: Hamilton penalty was deserved
Alonso said he fully supported the FIA stewards' decision to hit Hamilton with a 25-second penalty, which handed victory to Felipe Massa, because he felt there was no doubt he gained an advantage.
"Yes, I totally agree," he said of the stewards' decision. "Lewis had an advantage by doing that. If he did the chicane properly, he would never have crossed the line one metre behind Kimi. You lose five or ten metres and then you cannot overtake in Turn 1.
"We always said we would give back the position, but at the same time as giving back the position you cannot take advantage of what you did one corner before. If you give back the position, take the slipstream and overtake the guy into the next corner you still have an advantage because of what you did.
"These escape roads are just for safety. You need to imagine that before there would have been a wall, and if there is a wall you cannot use that part of the track."
The Spaniard added that his former teammate should have hung back and taken the chance to overtake Raikkonen later in the race.
"There were two or three laps to the end, many more corners to overtake at with the condition of the circuit. It was clear for me that it was not the right moment to overtake. The stewards take their decisions and they have been very strict this year. They are very hard but consistent."
Q: (Dan Knutson - National Speed Sport News) Could I ask the other four drivers what they thought about that incident and Kimi, and as a follow-up, do you think you and other drivers might be afraid to fight for a position now that you might get a penalty?
GF: I have just seen pictures, so it is difficult for me to say whether what happened was right or not. For sure, maybe, he took a small advantage, that's why he had the possibility, as Felipe said, to overtake him again in braking for turn one. But obviously, a 25s penalty was quite a strong penalty. As for the second question: when we get in the car and we're fighting to overtake a car, we don't think about that. We just try to do our best. Obviously we know if we cut a chicane or we take an advantage we need to back off and give the position back.
SB: Yes, I think the rules are very clear. Maybe the penalty was a bit hard, but I think he's made the same mistake twice: he's done it in Magny-Cours and he's done it again in Spa. I don't really understand why there's been such a mess around it. There's a rule book and everybody has to obey the same thing. The penalty is really rough but in the end it's up to you to give the position back or not. Pretty straightforward.
NR: Yeah, I definitely agree, because he did get an advantage, because he wouldn't have been that close behind Kimi had he not cut the chicane. But then again, I also think the penalty was a bit harsh as that did not have such a big effect on the actual race result in the end.
JT: Well, I agree completely with my colleagues. The penalty was quite big but I'm not a steward and I cannot decide what kind of penalty should be given. But on the other hand, it was very clear that he got an advantage out of it, so that's where it is. The rules are very clear. If you cut the chicane and you get an advantage, you just have to drop back and give back the position and in Lewis's case he shouldn't have attacked straight away at the next corner; that was it. On the other hand, with this new chicane, there is a lot of run-off, it gives you more chance to attack because in the case of a mistake, you wouldn't end up in a wall or in the gravel. If it was the case of Lewis in Spa, he wouldn't have gone much further than that. We have more chances to overtake.
SB: I think it was very clear and I agree as well. You have to be responsible for what you decide to do, and in this particular case, if you do gain an advantage like I said, you just give it back and make sure that you don't expose yourself to penalties. I think it's the easiest way to handle it. In my previous experience, my previous life in the States, it was actually a common thing. The stewards would not take action if you gave the position back, so I think it's only fair.
NR: I agree and I don't think it's going to stop us from trying to attack, definitely.
IraNik wrote:alonso5 wrote:Hamilton clearly cheated. he let raikonnen pass but only for a split second before immediately repassing him without fully giving pack the position.
well, he gave back a full car length and had lesser speed by 7km/h. question now is, what is the definition of giving back the position? you have to give back 2 car lengths? 3? 1.5? 5? never pass the dude again? what?
correct answer: depends on whom you are overtaking ;)
but of course ferrari and FIA-T cheating is nothing new, whether it's on track in monaco 2006 or Jerez 1997 or off track by stealing mclaren's info, or by penalizing michelin tyres in 2003, etc.. they are also complete hypocrites. they say they don't want(*) to see the championship decided by off track penalties/politics but they were glad to attempt to win the 1999 championship in court even if their barge boards in Malaysia were illegal.
(*) this is false btw
"It's a classic example of F1 shooting itself in the foot, that a fantastic double-header of two of the most atmospheric, high-speed and historic tracks in Europe was overshadowed by the whole Spa penalty mess.
Whatever the result of the appeal, everyone loses. Again."