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Who will win the 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix
Poll ended at 27 Jul 2008, 17:50
Lewis Hamilton 37%  37%  [ 16 ]
Felipe Massa 23%  23%  [ 10 ]
Kimi Räikkönen 28%  28%  [ 12 ]
Robert Kubica 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
Nick Heidfeld 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Heikki Kovalainen 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jarno Trulli 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Mark Webber 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Fernando Alonso 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Rubens Barrichello 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jenson Button 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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 Post subject: Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix
PostPosted: 07 Aug 2008, 15:36  
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What record :blink: The rule that stipulated the same engine for consecutive two races was put in 2005. Ferrari's reliability record was back in 2000's. Begining from 2006 Japan, Ferrari's record was not that good even compared to that of McLaren, which has been very popular thanks to its infamous reliability past.

McLaren was so hopeless before that they couldn't even make the engine last through the practice sessions. That's why it's amusing that Mercedes-Benz is now the most reliable engine on the grid.

Indeed, I can't get it, now they can build an engine that can last 2 races, and is reliable..

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PostPosted: 07 Aug 2008, 15:43  
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every run of bad luck has to end some time, but it's realy fascinating to me that they suddenly can build an engine which can go the 2-races-distance without blowing up

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PostPosted: 07 Aug 2008, 17:42  
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maybe it's because of their experience in champ cars before....v8's were used back then until mercedes-benz decided to pull out of the series. but if v10's were still used today, i doubt whether they could still have that engine reliability....as for massa's engine failure, that was a real surprise! (maybe a stepney cahoot within ferrari sabotaged his engine) :D :D :D

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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2008, 05:17  
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there was a wrong set up made by team and pilot after the second pit stop, to save the engine the blow it
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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2008, 05:24  
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It appears to have been one of the four piston rods (being supplied by an Austrian company) on the the right side of the engine which would have opened a leak in the underside of the V8...

To make sure the failure didn't occur for another reason the engine technicians put an engine on the testbench simulating all the strains it has been under in the past two GP's. The same was done by putting these values in the mathematical simulator. A close eye was kept on Hockenheim's characteristics because there are many corners there were the car leans to the right side to then accelerate.

Ferrari denied the problem would have anything to do with fuel supply, that was all correct.
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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2008, 06:19  
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mclaren is not on front of ferrari.....but definetely they have got better development phase...ferrari after the nose with the all hole...4th race...have waited hungarian gp before next aero dev.
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 Post subject: Kimi´s engine
PostPosted: 08 Aug 2008, 09:52  
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what about the mechanical problem with Kimi´s car in Hungary, will they change his engine for VAlencia?

do you think that Lewis was on a heavier fuel load that Felipe at the second stind, and that he should have been able to overtake massa in case he hadn´t suffer a tire puncture?


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 Post subject: Re: Kimi´s engine
PostPosted: 08 Aug 2008, 09:58  
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mechanical problem does not relate to engine.He will use the same engine. The problem he had was with rear suspension or something in the rear of the car.
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 Post subject: Re: Kimi´s engine
PostPosted: 08 Aug 2008, 10:00  
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i think not it was an mechanical with the real and hope its not invole with the engine
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 Post subject: Re: Kimi´s engine
PostPosted: 08 Aug 2008, 10:14  
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Well, I´m not so sure it was the suspension only.... :blush:
Why would the team have told Kimi to slow down at the last laps? and what I think is also a bit suspicious is that Dominicali keeps telling everybody "oh, no no no, the problem that Felipe had has nothing to do with Kimi´s problem"
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i think not it was an mechanical with the real and hope its not invole with the engine
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 Post subject: Heikki-Lewis in Hungary
PostPosted: 08 Aug 2008, 10:33  
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would Heikki-or Lewis, have been able to overtake Massa later on in the race when Lewis flat tire would have been occured? McLaren is stating that (I believe) Lewis was on a significant higher fuel load than Felipe.
What do you think?
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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2008, 11:07  
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heikki would not have been able to overtake massa at all.
But mclaren said that they fuelled lewis heavier than massa. But it couls be just 2 or 3 laps more and massa had a gap of 5 seconds before lewis had a flat tyre.I dont think he could make it.
Another thing that mclaren are claiming is that lewis had 7 laps more fuel than massa looking at the lap that massa pited. But at the time massa pitted he still had enough fuel to get around the track couple of more times. HE pitted just in case a saftey car came out.
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 Post subject: fuel load Lewis in Hungary 2008
PostPosted: 08 Aug 2008, 14:05  
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Hi guys,

do you think that Lewis was on a heavier fuel load that Felipe at the second stind, and that he should have been able to overtake massa in case he hadn´t suffer a tire puncture?

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 Post subject: Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix
PostPosted: 08 Aug 2008, 14:30  
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Bridgestone sees McLaren, Ferrari traits
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Small differences in the handling characteristics of the McLaren and Ferrari cars could be a major contributing factor in their fluctuating title fortunes, reckons tyre supplier Bridgestone.

Here in this article, very interesting points are highlighted by Bridgestone.

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Bridgestone sees McLaren, Ferrari traits
By Jonathan Noble and Edd Straw Friday, August 8th 2008, 09:30 GMT

Small differences in the handling characteristics of the McLaren and Ferrari cars could be a major contributing factor in their fluctuating title fortunes, reckons tyre supplier Bridgestone.

The pace of the two teams has swung dramatically in the last two races, with McLaren having been dominant in Germany but facing defeat to Ferrari in Hungary before Felipe Massa's late race engine failure.

This varying form has prompted suggestions that the way the two cars use their tyres is proving crucial with little to separate the two teams in terms of out-and-out pace.

Hirohide Hamashima, Bridgestone's director of motorsport tyre development, is one who is convinced that the differences between the balance of the MP4-23 and the F2008 could explain their form in recent races.

In particular, he thinks the understeering nature of the Ferrari could be a major cause of the qualifying issues that have hampered the team's chances of stronger results in recent races.

"Basically the Ferrari has more of a tendency to understeer than the McLaren," Hamashima told autosport.com. "The McLaren is a little bit oversteery. When the tyre has good grip, the car with the oversteer tendency will be quicker over a single lap than a neutral or understeering car.

"But when you think about racing conditions - especially with the temperatures we had at the Hungaroring – then an oversteering car will have heat generating at the rear much higher than the understeering car.

"Looking at Hungary and (Lewis) Hamilton's car behaviour, after a few laps he struggled with oversteer - so he was making lots of counter-steering movements. On the other hand the Ferrari had a good balance after a few laps.

"That's why the temperature is making a difference."

Hamashima has also shed some light on the fight at Ferrari between Felipe Massa and Kimi Raikkonen -- claiming the Brazilian is superior when the car is perfect, but Raikkonen excels when the driver has to overcome some technical deficiencies

"When the car conditions are very suitable for Felipe his abilities are 110%, but once the car is not so good his abilities are 90%," he explained. "But Kimi could get the package performance at 100% even if the car condition is not so good."

He should have avoided that last line ..Ferrari wouldn't be happy with that.
But its somewhat correct that's why Kimi is highest paid($55m?) driver.

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