2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Who will win the 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Poll ended at 27 Jul 2008, 17:50

Lewis Hamilton
16
37%
Felipe Massa
10
23%
Kimi Räikkönen
12
28%
Robert Kubica
3
7%
Nick Heidfeld
1
2%
Heikki Kovalainen
0
No votes
Jarno Trulli
0
No votes
Mark Webber
0
No votes
Fernando Alonso
1
2%
Rubens Barrichello
0
No votes
Jenson Button
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 43

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by AzShadow » 04 Aug 2008, 16:16

Indeed it was since the sector times weren't working at all times either. But as for the pit stop, Kimi just made a much faster lap before pitting so that was it. As soon as he got rid of Alonso his laps got over a second faster.
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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by Suntrek » 04 Aug 2008, 16:31

AzShadow wrote:Indeed it was since the sector times weren't working at all times either. But as for the pit stop, Kimi just made a much faster lap before pitting so that was it. As soon as he got rid of Alonso his laps got over a second faster.


No he didn't. On the contrary, the lap before he pitted he had a slight off and that lap was 2 sec slower than his normal lap times.

His outlap after pit was much faster than Alonso's outlap but that is of no consequence since by then he had already passed Alonso.
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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by phil1993 » 04 Aug 2008, 16:34

I'm still puzzled how Kimi did that! i saw him off so thought, 'Oh he'll be behind Fernando' but no!

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by shailf1 » 04 Aug 2008, 17:00

kimi's inlap was a second quicker than alonso and his pitstop was shorter than alonso

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by christos11989 » 04 Aug 2008, 17:30

mclaren....the best

TA: cough.. Any more opinion than that? Any justification? Apparently not.
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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by Fergie1 » 04 Aug 2008, 17:50

christos11989 wrote:mclaren....the best

Afraid to tell you, they weren't.

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by AzShadow » 04 Aug 2008, 18:38

Suntrek wrote:No he didn't. On the contrary, the lap before he pitted he had a slight off and that lap was 2 sec slower than his normal lap times.

His outlap after pit was much faster than Alonso's outlap but that is of no consequence since by then he had already passed Alonso.

Are you talking about the off that was shown on the TV? That was on the lap or before Alonso pitted. Kimi then made a lap that was according to him at least 0.8s quicker and that was his in lap.
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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by Zack » 04 Aug 2008, 19:09

Lap 49 GAP 0.774
5 13.083 1:21.833
1 13.857 1:21.773

Lap 50 Gap 0.361

kimi
49 1:21.773
50 1:23.913
51 P 1:23.551

52 1:43.921

Alo
49 1:21.833
50 P 1:24.326
51 1:47.032

52 1:23.044

Nothing special :p just that off moment didn't hurt kimi as we thought & Alonso outlap was poor.
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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by aaja45 » 04 Aug 2008, 21:23

kimi infact could improve just one place.. 6th to 3rd.. massa and hamilton just moved away..

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by Suntrek » 04 Aug 2008, 23:53

AzShadow wrote:
Suntrek wrote:No he didn't. On the contrary, the lap before he pitted he had a slight off and that lap was 2 sec slower than his normal lap times.

His outlap after pit was much faster than Alonso's outlap but that is of no consequence since by then he had already passed Alonso.

Are you talking about the off that was shown on the TV? That was on the lap or before Alonso pitted. Kimi then made a lap that was according to him at least 0.8s quicker and that was his in lap.


Yes, exactly that off. It was on Alonso's pit stop lap.

It's true that Kimi's in lap was 0,8 sec quicker than Alonso's, but since the times diff between them now was almost 3 seconds because of Kimi's off (instead of 0,8 - 1 as it had been previously) this doesn't add up to any overtaking at all.

Alonso lost too much on his outlap after pit because of traffic (I think) and that's why Kimi could overtake.
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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by dacer » 05 Aug 2008, 07:52

Zack wrote:51 1:47.032[/b]
52 1:23.044

Nothing special :p just that off moment didn't hurt kimi as we thought & Alonso outlap was poor.


Alonso outlap was not poor, was like many other driver, 1:47. Kimi outlap, was the best, 2-3 second faster than any (not trulli 1:44:9)


I think this seasson is special. Really there are no one "the best". There are only "the less worse". You only have to see leadear points and compare with other years.

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by Sanredrose » 05 Aug 2008, 09:06

Wow .. 657 posts .. I think this is the most populous thread by far among all 2008 GP topics !!

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by phil1993 » 05 Aug 2008, 10:46

now we know (suspected but confirmed by Ferrari) why Kimi was so slow in the last few laps:

Ferrari paranoid over Raikkonen engine

After Felipe Massa's engine blew just three laps before the end of the Hungarian Grand Prix, Ferrari noted that Kimi Raikkonen, now running third, appeared to have a problem at the same time.

"At the end, we told him to take it easy because we felt that we had a mechanical problem at the rear of the car so we didn't want to take any risks," Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali said. "We wanted him to bring the car home after what we saw unfortunately with Felipe on the same lap."

Did it have any bearing on Felipe's problem? "No, no, no. Completely different," emphasised Domenicali. "We saw there was something on the mechanical side on the rear that was not properly working."

So going into the next race, the European Grand Prix at Valencia, what is Ferrari's focus: the reliability problems experienced in Budapest, or the qualifying problems experienced by Kimi Raikkonen in particular?

"I think both," said Domenicali. "Not only these two points but for sure reliability because we cannot accept to have these kind of problems, even if it was only 10 kilometers from the end. We cannot have this problem of reliability because we are paying too much of a price for it.



Ferrari focused on start - boss


Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali revealed that his team had prepared Felipe Massa for his lightning start which saw him overtake both McLarens and take the lead out of the first corner, because it was crucial when it came to when the McLarens might make their first pit stops.

"We prepared the race last night considering that. We knew that in these conditions, the two effects were relevant," Domenicali said. "We tried to simulate the start in terms of lines because we knew that if we were in front we could set a good pace for the first stint of the race. We were building and informing Felipe of the gap behind him to Hamilton just to create our race, expecting him to be, I would say, in the region of our pit stop, maybe one two laps more, one two laps less. So we were working around that strategy, we were building up our lead, considering that situation. But to be honest, you never know how it's going to work out up to the moment that you stop."

Domenicali revealed that they had no warning of Felipe Massa's engine failure as he completed lap 67. "Zero. Unfortunately we had no warning, we just had the smoke in front of us, and it was very bad. Unfortunately there was no signal, no information, no warning on the telemetry."

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by dacer » 05 Aug 2008, 12:19

I have not more (second) pit stop videos. But see this. Is Kimi second pit stop. He needs 6 second:
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid= ... 2gKE0tWnBQ

I would like to see others, like Alonso, Massa. Spanish press said that FIA are investigating, maybe some teams manage to get more fuel with less seconds.

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by AzShadow » 05 Aug 2008, 16:56

Spanish press is being hysterical after Alonso's comments once again. The refueling speed is the same with everybody and AFAIK FIA isn't investigating anything.
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