2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

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Who will win the 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Poll ended at 27 Jul 2008, 17:50

Lewis Hamilton
16
37%
Felipe Massa
10
23%
Kimi Räikkönen
12
28%
Robert Kubica
3
7%
Nick Heidfeld
1
2%
Heikki Kovalainen
0
No votes
Jarno Trulli
0
No votes
Mark Webber
0
No votes
Fernando Alonso
1
2%
Rubens Barrichello
0
No votes
Jenson Button
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 43

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by phil1993 » 03 Aug 2008, 15:37

Disappointing race result for Red Bull drivers
The Hungarian Grand Prix came to a disappointing end for both Red Bull Racing drivers. Mark Webber only just missed out on scoring points as the Australian finished in ninth. His team mate David Coulthard struggled with the car and finished in 11th.

Speaking about his race Webber commented: "We weren't quick enough. We didn't do a good enough job in qualifying yesterday, which hurt us in the race. We struggled to find pace - and it was hard to stay with the Toyotas and Renaults, who we're fighting in the Championship. Let's hope it's this track though and that we can bounce back in Valencia."

David Coulthard said: "Unfortunately I got some traffic before my last stop, which allowed Nick (Heidfeld) to pass me; otherwise I couldn't do anymore today. The car has a lot of oversteer and rear sliding. Now we'll just focus on the next race and see that we can do there."




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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by shailf1 » 03 Aug 2008, 15:39

phil1993 wrote:
shail69 wrote:what was massa reaction to that? Did anyone manage to interview him?


he walked dejected down the pit lane with his head in his hands, but theres been no statement yet.

:huh: !!!hands in head!!!

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by AzShadow » 03 Aug 2008, 15:56

phil1993 wrote:Kovy said that he pushed Massa hard hoping for something like this to happen and it did. I was watching the live timing and he was closing Massa down at about a second a lap.

Yeah but Massa wasn't really pushing at that point anymore. He would have won easily if it hadn't been for the mechanical failure.
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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by Fergie1 » 03 Aug 2008, 16:01

shail69 wrote:
phil1993 wrote:
shail69 wrote:what was massa reaction to that? Did anyone manage to interview him?


he walked dejected down the pit lane with his head in his hands, but theres been no statement yet.

:huh: !!!hands in head!!!

No, head in his hands.

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by AzShadow » 03 Aug 2008, 16:11

It looks like BMW's given up their 2008 development totally. They were miserable throughout the weekend and in last GPs achieved good results only by luck. But they've collected so many points that it will very likely be enough for them to maintain 3rd in the constructors standings.
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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by phil1993 » 03 Aug 2008, 16:14

Drivers quotes from Budapest

Heikki Kovalainen, Mclaren (1st):
"There have been races this year where I’ve been in a position to challenge for victory but had something go wrong for me. Halfway through this race, things started working for me and I started pushing Felipe (Massa) hard - and it worked. I feel sorry for Felipe because he drove a great race, but my car felt good and I knew I could push for the victory. This is a great moment for me, something I’ve been targeting for many years. Hopefully, this victory will be the first of many."

Timo Glock, Toyota (2nd):
"What an incredible feeling. I couldn't believe it when I saw Felipe's (Massa) engine go and I was P2. To get such a good result in my first year is fantastic so a huge thank you to all the team, including the engineers, mechanics and everyone at the factory. I knew from qualifying that we had good speed and we've looked strong all weekend. Today I made a good start and gained a place into the first corner. I had a really good car and everything went perfectly until the last stint on the soft tyres. I was struggling a lot and soon I had Kimi (Raikkonen) behind me. But I knew from last year here in GP2, when I was stuck in the midfield in a really good car, how hard it is to pass here. So when I saw him in the mirrors I knew I couldn't afford any mistakes. This result more than makes up for Hockenheim and now we must keep picking up regular points until the end of the season."

Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari (3rd):
To follow.

Fernando Alonso, Renault (4th):
"We fought hard today and we were on the pace with a car that was working well, which is encouraging for the rest of the championship. We scored some important points which is satisfying, even though we could have maybe been on the podium. We must now continue working hard, but today's result shows that we are moving in the right direction."

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren (5th):
"Congratulations to Heikki for his first and very well deserved grand prix win. The race could have been better for me. My start was okay, but Felipe’s was better and he managed to overtake me. I managed to maintain the gap during the first stint and felt comfortable in the second stint because I was matching his times but was going to be running longer to the final stops. I feel I could have had a go at passing him, but the damaged tyre halted my progress. I don’t yet know what happened. But at least I scored four points and maintained my lead in the championship, so this result is not too bad for me."

Nelson Piquet, Renault (6th):
"I am happy with my result this weekend. I scored some valuable points which is promising for the rest of the season. I made a good start, but unfortunately I made a small mistake on the first lap, which meant that I lost the two positions that I had made up. It shows that at this level you cannot afford to make the smallest error. I am continuing to learn and I am determined to continue building on this progress when we go to Valencia at the end of the month."

Jarno Trulli, Toyota (7th):
"This is a very good result for us and to pick up ten points is great for the constructors' championship. I'm glad for Timo because he has had a very good weekend and fully deserves this result. This could have been better for me too, despite my problems in qualifying. I was quick today but I couldn't push because I only had one lap that was clear of traffic in the whole afternoon. I gained one position early on but overtaking is practically impossible here. Around the second stops I was also stuck behind Lewis, holding me up further. Still, I'm delighted that we are showing such strong form and I just hope we can carry on in good shape and with such good results."

Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber (8th):
"This was a difficult race. We were very slow and I was struggling with the overall grip of the car. I had massive oversteer and could not really push. I was trying hard to keep the car on the track. Anyway, one point is better than nothing."

Mark Webber, Red Bull (9th):
“We weren’t quick enough. We didn’t do a good enough job in qualifying yesterday, which hurt us in the race. We struggled to find pace - and it was hard to stay with the Toyotas and Renaults, who we’re fighting in the championship. Let’s hope it’s this track though and that we can bounce back in Valencia.”

Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber (10th):
"My start wasn't perfect but okay. As I had hoped, I was able to overtake three cars on the first lap. But later it became more difficult than expected to race with the heavy car. We went for a one stop strategy, so my car was almost full of fuel at the start and I also had to take care of the tyres. I couldn't match the pace of the cars in front of me. Now we have to analyse today's lack of race pace. Normally this is one of our strengths!"

David Coulthard, Red Bull (11th):
“Unfortunately I got some traffic before my last stop, which allowed Nick (Heidfeld) to pass me; otherwise I couldn’t do anymore today. The car has a lot of oversteer and rear sliding. Now we’ll just focus on the next race and see that we can do there.”

Jenson Button, Honda (12th):
"Looking at the weekend as a whole, we have made good progress and can take a lot away from here. Unfortunately the race was frustrating. I made it tough for myself with a poor start, which dropped me down to P14 after the first couple of corners. I got boxed in at Turn One and had a lot of wheelspin out of the corner, which allowed a few people to get past on the outside. I was able to get past Rubens (Barrichello) on lap three, which was fun, but after that I quickly came up to the back of Heidfeld. He was very strong on the last two corners so I had no chance to overtake on the track and he was on a one-stop strategy. However in clean air, our pace was good, so this weekend is a definite step forward and I am reasonably happy with the outcome."

Kazuki Nakajima, Williams (13th):
"Obviously it was a very difficult race for us. We converted my strategy to a one stopper, which was the right thing to do, so thanks to the team for that. After that though, I was running heavy and struggling on the option tyres so had to fight for pace. I then made contact with Fisichella and lost a position. Fortunately, I was able to regain it when he had to make his final stop. That was all we could do today so we need to look into what happened and try to improve for the next race."

Nico Rosberg, Williams (14th):
"My first lap wasn’t great. I was in the wrong place and lost a few positions. Then, during my first pit-stop, something went wrong with the fuel rig which cost me a couple of decisive seconds and put me behind Fisichella. My strategy was over then. In terms of the heat I didn’t have a problem with it; we’ve definitely had worse races this year."

Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India (15th):
"It was a tough race as we were fighting quite a lot. We were quite heavy at the beginning of the race but the pace really wasn't too bad and I could keep up with the others in front of me. In fact the two Williams were only two laps heavier than me when I was just behind them, but I was keeping the same pace. Even at the end of the race in the last few laps I could do a 1 min 22.6s, which is a good lap time. In terms of strategy we did well, that was the maximum we could get from this race, we just need a step forward for the next few races."

Rubens Barrichello, Honda (16th):
"After a good start where I made up four positions on the opening lap, unfortunately it wasn't a very exciting race for me. We decided to start with used front and new rear tyres which proved to be a problem as the car was out of balance for the first stint. Then at my first pit stop we were unlucky to have the problem with the rig which resulted in a small fire and a long delay whilst we got fuel into the car using the second rig. After that, my race was effectively over as the number of blue flags made it impossible to make progress. We decided to drop the revs on the engine and do some testing with the tyres as we had overheating problems over the weekend and it was good to collect some data on this. For me the actual race was one to forget really."

Felipe Massa, Ferrari (17th):
To follow. :roll::

Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso (18th):
“There have been two sides to this weekend: it got off to a good start and then I had some problems in qualifying. The race also started quite well, as I had a good pace. Then it all went to hell at the first pit stop, as the guys had to use the fire extinguisher and I got a lot of foam on my visor. It happened again at the second stop and this time I had foam inside and outside my visor and couldn’t see a thing so had to make another stop to get it cleaned. By this stage, we had lost so much time, there was nothing else to do and I preferred to make the extra stop as the lack of visibility was dangerous.”

Adrian Sutil, Force India (DNF):
"My start was normal, I was on the outside going into turn one but then I had to go a little bit wide and dropped back a place. Then the problems started on the third lap when my brakes started to overheat, particularly the rear ones, and I had to move my brake balance forward. From that point on I had problems, with lots of locking on the front and understeer and it was difficult to handle the car. Considering this, my race pace was not bad in the first stint, but then in the second stint I was held up by the group in front when I was quite light and lost some time there. In the final stint I had a puncture on the front right under braking and then the brakes gave up and my race was over. Overall, I am disappointed because we've worked hard for the whole weekend and then after three laps we have a problem so I couldn't show the performance I wanted to."

Sebastian Vettel, Toro Rosso (DNF):
“I didn’t have a very good pit stop and that caused the engine to overheat and that messed up some parts and I had no choice but to retire. It’s a shame as I had a good pace from the car this afternoon. I made a mistake in running wide at the last corner on the first lap and lost a lot of places. I was stuck behind Barrichello and it was impossible to overtake. This hasn’t been a good weekend and that goes back to Friday when I suffered reliability problems and then came the disappointment this afternoon.”

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by hannibal_rising » 03 Aug 2008, 16:20

AzShadow wrote:It looks like BMW's given up their 2008 development totally. They were miserable throughout the weekend and in last GPs achieved good results only by luck. But they've collected so many points that it will very likely be enough for them to maintain 3rd in the constructors standings.



I was thinking the same thing... They are not fighting for having the second place in the constructors Championship. They have enough car to score points, but they don't have much chances against ferrari and McLaren. Last year they said that a victory was this year's goal... and they have it. So... that's was all for BMW?

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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by Ali » 03 Aug 2008, 16:21

hannibal_rising wrote:
AzShadow wrote:It looks like BMW's given up their 2008 development totally. They were miserable throughout the weekend and in last GPs achieved good results only by luck. But they've collected so many points that it will very likely be enough for them to maintain 3rd in the constructors standings.



I was thinking the same thing... They are not fighting for having the second place in the constructors Championship. They have enough car to score points, but they don't have much chances against ferrari and McLaren. Last year they said that a victory was this year's goal... and they have it. So... that's was all for BMW?

BMW is about the first team to test KERS on track. I guess they allocate much of their resources for 2009 car.
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Post by iceman1 » 03 Aug 2008, 16:23

AzShadow wrote:It looks like BMW's given up their 2008 development totally. They were miserable throughout the weekend and in last GPs achieved good results only by luck. But they've collected so many points that it will very likely be enough for them to maintain 3rd in the constructors standings.

The fight between BMW and Toyota is really going to be interesting now, but i don't think Toyota can do it.BMW has already given up on this season

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Post by AzShadow » 03 Aug 2008, 16:25

Yeah, but it's not so wise to always leave a season unfinished and concentrate solely on the next one because then you'll never win the championship. I guess 2009 is a bit different because KERS and new aero rules bring major changes, but we'll see if they'll be trying to push until the end next year either.
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Post by Ali » 03 Aug 2008, 16:27

Teams fail to agree to delay KERS until 2010
F1Complete wrote:Another attempt by formula one teams to call off the scheduled introduction of KERS has failed. Bosses of all ten teams met in Sunday in the Toyota motor home, where the hottest topic was the controversial energy-recovery technology.
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Post by AzShadow » 03 Aug 2008, 16:31

So which team(s) was against the decision then? :blink:
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Post by Ali » 03 Aug 2008, 16:33

AzShadow wrote:So which team(s) was against the decision then? :blink:

Williams, BMW, McLaren and Honda. Other six teams have signed a "gentlemen" agreement to voluntarily delay racing KERS-equipped cars until 2010. It's written in the details.
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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by eleanor » 03 Aug 2008, 16:35

Felipe Massa, Ferrari (17th):
"It happened completely without warning, without giving the slightest indication. I was managing the race, because I had a good advantage over second place after Hamilton was delayed with a problem and I was taking no risks whatsoever. I am very frustrated at the moment, because today we had a great car and we had done everything perfectly until just a few kilometres from the finish. Unfortunately, racing can be a cruel sport. We had given it our all, but these things can happen. Now we must not give up, but instead we must react quickly. There are seven races to go and 70 points up for grabs, which means there is plenty of time to make up ground. Our rivals are strong but we have shown we are at their level."
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Re: 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix

Post by Arrows_F1 » 03 Aug 2008, 16:51

I think Ferrari will improve their car very much until Valencia. Even if they were on the way to win, it was clear that they were behind McLaren-Mercedes in technical aspects. Surely they will try to bounce back in Valencia. I feel very sorry for Massa he deserved the win, he did a good job during race. But as he said, racing can be a cruel sport. It was also a disappointing day for BMW Sauber and Red Bull. BMW Sauber lost their second place in the Constructeur Championship and also Red Bull are now "down" in sixth place 7 points behind Renault and 11 points behind Toyota.

For them it was a very good weekend. Toyota got 10 points from Glock's second place and Trulli's seventh, they are now in a good fourth position. However, Renault is just four points behind them after Alonso (4th) and Piquet (6th) scored 8 points for their team.
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