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Who will win the 2008 FORMULA 1 Hungarian Grand Prix
Poll ended at 27 Jul 2008, 17:50
Lewis Hamilton 37%  37%  [ 16 ]
Felipe Massa 23%  23%  [ 10 ]
Kimi Räikkönen 28%  28%  [ 12 ]
Robert Kubica 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
Nick Heidfeld 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Heikki Kovalainen 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jarno Trulli 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Mark Webber 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Fernando Alonso 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Rubens Barrichello 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jenson Button 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 43
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PostPosted: 26 Jul 2008, 10:36  
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^^^ Have to agree this Mclaren's development rate has outpaced Ferrari at least considering visual updates.IMO they should build new wind tunnel ..current is oldest one in f1 ..was build in iiirc 96.I guess after spain they started to concentrate more resource on 2009 car :s

Lets see how this race goes ..its too early for WDC call.

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Mclaren are using a mechanically actuated torque control device , that would explain Lewis wet weather performance at Silverstone and also his drive at Hockenheim.
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In fairness to Hamilton, he didn't also blackmail Ron afterwards. &doh :roll::


The blackmail story is a fabrication from the British press, truth is we don't know what happened behind those closed doors and how the words fell. A row, for sure - but exactly why and how things happened we have no idea. Not even Ron called it blackmail and Alonso hasn't spoken about it. I hope the truth will get out in time, but until then...

And now I'm WAY off topic, sorry... :wave:

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Mclaren are using a mechanically actuated torque control device , that would explain Lewis wet weather performance at Silverstone and also his drive at Hockenheim.

what is that? :huh:
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Mclaren are using a mechanically actuated torque control device , that would explain Lewis wet weather performance at Silverstone and also his drive at Hockenheim.

what is that? :huh:

its a system that uses 2 extra paddles below the gear shift paddles. In lower gears when the paddles are actuated it delivers a soft torque as a result limits wheel spin.
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PostPosted: 26 Jul 2008, 16:08  
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I dont understand what are u guyz talking about... :blink:
Is it something wrong had mclaren disobey in terms of race regulation? :huh:


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Nah, but it might be in the grey area. AFAIK Renault had tried something similar but Alonso wasn't satisfied with the system.

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I dont understand what are u guyz talking about... :blink:
Is it something wrong had mclaren disobey in terms of race regulation? :huh:

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McLaren have recently been using steering wheels with 4 paddles, rather than the usual two. The 'telegraph' have reported that, while the upper paddles are used for conventional up and downshifting, the additional levers allow the driver to select a different engine mapping, independently from the gear shifting.

The currently used standard engine control unit enable to teams to program a number of predefined engine mappings, optimising traction or driveability in different conditions or at different speeds. The new system enables the driver to change gears and simultaneously change to a different engine mapping by pulling the paddles at the same time. Most importantly, it looks to be allowed by current regulations as these only stipulate that engine mappings can only be changed by the driver. Any automatic change acting upon a gear shift is forbidden.

Already considered a manual traction control system, the drivers have not the ability to effectively limit wheel spin when accelerating out of slow corners while not reducing power at higher speeds. When finally considered legal by the FIA, Ferrari is likely to be quick and copy the system to recover from their current performance deficit.


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So what u think??
Is it Mclaren innocent or not?
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PostPosted: 26 Jul 2008, 17:38  
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Current status for engines and gear boxes of drivers:

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Driver   Engine   Gearbox

Kimi Raikkonen   E2   G3
Felipe Massa   E1   G1
Nick Heidfeld   E2   G2
Robert Kubica   E1   Opt G2
Fernando Alonso   E1   G3
Nelson Piquet   E1   Opt G3
Nico Rosberg   E2   G4
Kazuki Nakajima   E2   G2
David Coulthard   Opt E2   Opt G4
Mark Webber   E2   G2
Jarno Trulli   E1   G1
Timo Glock   E1   G4
Sebastien Bourdais   E1   G3
Sebastian Vettel   E1   Opt G3
Jenson Button   Opt E2   Opt G4
Rubens Barrichello   E2   G1
Adrian Sutil   Opt E2   Opt G3
Giancarlo Fisichella   E1   Opt G3
Lewis Hamilton   E2   G3
Heikki Kovalainen   E2   G2


So, Kimi, Lewis and Hekki will use new engines whereas Felipe will use the same engine. Kimi's and Lewis' gear boxes will experience their last race.

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So what u think??
Is it Mclaren innocent or not?


McLaren is totally innocent so far as there's no ruling preventing this system (and I have to - as much as I hate it - give them credit for their innovativeness :<>: )

The rulings stipulate a driver is not allowed to change engine mapping at the same time he changes gears. McLaren found a way around this rule by introducing these two new engine-mapping-chaning paddles separated from the normal gear-changing paddles.

But Macca being innocent right now doesn't mean anything. Ze FIA may change the rules at an eye's whim (see Renault's mass-damper) and all of a sudden such a system can be forbidden. We'll just have to wait and see.

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So what u think??
Is it Mclaren innocent or not?


i doubt their is enough information available atm .. to comment on that.
iceman1 has posted same the info ..copy pasted at many news sites ..which is incorrect.

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syafiqa wrote:
So what u think??
Is it Mclaren innocent or not?


i doubt their is enough information available atm .. to comment on that.
iceman1 has posted same the info ..copy pasted at many news sites ..which is incorrect.

Count 4 paddles on this replica
http://www.amalgamcollection.com/en/gra ... 800__0.png

http://www.amalgamcollection.com/en/gra ... 800__0.png

There's a video I found on You Tube about steering wheels: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXrBi1Y46zU

J.J. Lehto says that Renault also has a similar system and that Alonso doesn't like it too much and doesn't even use it. Also, he says that it takes a lot of training to get it right, and it probably brings a tenth per lap max. Drivers have to operate two paddles with both hands, which requires a lot of coordination skills. Then, he says that McLaren has overall got their car working really well with aerodynamics etc.

Basically he downplays the significance of that wheel. Also, he says that it depends on the engine supplier if the teams are gonna implement a similar system.
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PostPosted: 26 Jul 2008, 18:36  
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Current status for engines and gear boxes of drivers:

Code:
Driver   Engine   Gearbox

Kimi Raikkonen   E2   G3
Felipe Massa   E1   G1
Nick Heidfeld   E2   G2
Robert Kubica   E1   Opt G2
Fernando Alonso   E1   G3
Nelson Piquet   E1   Opt G3
Nico Rosberg   E2   G4
Kazuki Nakajima   E2   G2
David Coulthard   Opt E2   Opt G4
Mark Webber   E2   G2
Jarno Trulli   E1   G1
Timo Glock   E1   G4
Sebastien Bourdais   E1   G3
Sebastian Vettel   E1   Opt G3
Jenson Button   Opt E2   Opt G4
Rubens Barrichello   E2   G1
Adrian Sutil   Opt E2   Opt G3
Giancarlo Fisichella   E1   Opt G3
Lewis Hamilton   E2   G3
Heikki Kovalainen   E2   G2


So, Kimi, Lewis and Hekki will use new engines whereas Felipe will use the same engine. Kimi's and Lewis' gear boxes will experience their last race.


What about Mark Webber ? His engine blew up in Germany, isn't he allowed to use a fresh one in Hungary then ?

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