2008 RBS Grand Prix du Canada , Circuit Gilles Villeneuve

[Sanredrose]

if it was something Sato did, EVERYONE would be calling to take away his superlicence...

I agree Yuji Ide super license was suspended & was called as 'reckless' driving ...here its same situation but under SC & Pit Lane :| osweat:

----Lets talk something other this s**8!---

Firstly, what was wrong with heikki ..he made some mistakes ..to fair the race pace was very slow.Partly both the top teams failed to deliver osweat: Mclaren fail to radioed Ham abt red light and himself fail notice it in time! .. wasn't gr8 stop either ...outcome was Zero points! On other hand Ferrari f*** up massa ..both had to came in @ same lap but was ok untill Massa had that fuel less stop osweat: for some reason fuel rig fail to respond
Everthing from BMW was flawless ...Kubica was as usal awesome and was great to see Quick Nick getting back in speed ...IF he could have hold Kubica for few more laps he had chance of win .. but anyways good result ..spectacular Massa! Flawless kubica

Even if Mclaren and Ferrai had worked out a perfect strategy for Massa / Heikki, i don't think they could have went on to dominate the race. They both seemed to be off the pace right from qualifying. Either their setup was wrong or they were put as a benchmark to help the team. Massa did well to climb back up without making any mistakes on the track. Its only Ferrari pit crew that messed up what could have been Massa's podium in Canada. Heikki seemed like to drive like Nelson Piquet Jr, he was nowhere to be found ... Unable to pass Vettel in STR !! If Massa and Heikki were much better off yesterday then they could have caught Nick but definitely not Robert. Kubica was in a different league and he could have been challenged only by Lewis or Raikkonen.

[Fergie1]

jajajaja, you still say, crane must help Hamilton!!!!.

Btw, that was the marshals not the FIA.

[phil1993]

I think Kubica has made only one mistake this year in a race- running slightly wide in Bahrain- and that wasn't major- Raikkonen made 2 in Australia, 2 or 3 in Monaco, Massa 2 in Oz, 1 in Malaysia- which put him out and 1 in Monaco. Lewis was faultless in Oz, made 2 or 3 mistakes in Bahrain, 1 in Monaco- although that helped him win, and one major one yesterday that put him and Kimi out. Keep it up Robert and you are champion before we get to Brazil!

[Sanredrose]

I would like to see all our members put a full stop to Lewis / Kimi accident discussion.

As Zack had pointed out we are actually missing out some good discussions on Kubica's win and other interesting parts of the race ... From whatever discussions have went on, i see that many fans of Schumacher, Alonso and other drivers feel that the penalties were exercised to their drivers in unfair situations or fair ones or where it could have been avoided. It could be FIA's changing trend due to its members. In the early 1990's they could have probably had more people in FIA who prefered Williams over Benneton or Ferrari. So they could have been harsh on the latter teams, but in 2000 and beyond their activites seem to favour Ferrari or whichever team it is.

This kind of accidents can be avoided if the FIA has better rules to actually prevent them. They did so much to reduce the impact of accidents on drivers, i hope they would work out a solution for pit stops as well. So all ends well. Lets have further discussion in different lines. I have some questions, probably we can start with discussions over them :

1. "Track breaking up " -What does this actually mean and why didn't problem pose to be a serious one in the previous years rather now ?
2. How come all the newbies suffered in this track, but the old hogs like David, Trulli & Barrichello seemed to work well for them ? Though Alonso din finish the race, he seemed very comfortable when taking the 4th position during qualifying ? So am i free to assume that the previous track knowledge greatly helps here ? Seems true to me .. Alonso, Rosberg, Hamilton, Kimi all put up good laps to take top spots on the grid .. But Massa & Heikki couldn't do anything about that !
3. The strange accidents like Webber losing control at turn 3 / 4 & Alonso in the race also lost control there, was it actually due to absence of traction control or the track was breaking up there ?

*** In our forum - We respect the opinion of every member. So lets move on.****

[Mitsuro Sano]

1. "Track breaking up " -What does this actually mean and why didn't problem pose to be a serious one in the previous years rather now ?

I remember in 2006 that there was a lot of rubber ball (I mean the s*** outside the racing line) in turn 10 and Schumacher making a huge drift on it!!
Formula 1 cars ( and racing cars ) destroyed too easily the tarmac on this circuit. Maybe because it's a temporary circuit :s

[phil1993]

I would like to see all our members put a full stop to Lewis / Kimi accident discussion.

[Lightning983]

I would like to see all our members put a full stop to Lewis / Kimi accident discussion.

Oh darn ... just when i was starting to have fun :cheezy:

1. "Track breaking up " -What does this actually mean and why didn't problem pose to be a serious one in the previous years rather now ?

Well as i've heard it, its probably just bad work quality and combined with the fact that there's no TC this year, and the tires "wear" the tarmac more...
It was always a problem, but this year its just worse than ever...

2. How come all the newbies suffered in this track, but the old hogs like David, Trulli & Barrichello seemed to work well for them ?...

well i don't see massa as a newbie
I guess since the SC played a big part in it, i'll go with sheer luck... as it was a lot of times in Canada
Trulli on the other hand was REALLY lucky, because he publicly said a lot of times he hates the track... i mean the guy didn't finish here about 7-8 times in his career.

3. The strange accidents like Webber losing control at turn 3 / 4 & Alonso in the race also lost control there, was it actually due to absence of traction control or the track was breaking up there ?

As i saw it, the track was also breaking up there... but i though Alonso had a gearbox problem, because i saw his real wheels lock when he spun out ?!?

[dacer]

There is another cheeky explanation for this ... Hamilton as well as Schumacher were pushed back into the track in European GP held in Luxembourgh. Its almost a German heartland with Schumi & Mercedes being their poster boys. Its pretty obvious they got some help. While Alonso spun in Italy in a Renault .. Cmon man .. Its Ferrari that matters for Tifosi ~ not a Renault ! If the same had happened in Spain definitely someone would have pushed him into the track !

Patetic Explication

[dacer]

By the way, Dacer you`re spanish aren`t you ?

yes

[Fergie1]

Just leave it now please.

[Sanredrose]

There is another cheeky explanation for this ... Hamilton as well as Schumacher were pushed back into the track in European GP held in Luxembourgh. Its almost a German heartland with Schumi & Mercedes being their poster boys. Its pretty obvious they got some help. While Alonso spun in Italy in a Renault .. Cmon man .. Its Ferrari that matters for Tifosi ~ not a Renault ! If the same had happened in Spain definitely someone would have pushed him into the track !

Patetic Explication

We respect your opinion. Lets move on with discussions about other stuff from the Canadian Grand Prix ...

[Zack]

Even if Mclaren and Ferrai had worked out a perfect strategy for Massa / Heikki, i don't think they could have went on to dominate the race. They both seemed to be off the pace right from qualifying. Either their setup was wrong or they were put as a benchmark to help the team. Massa did well to climb back up without making any mistakes on the track. Its only Ferrari pit crew that messed up what could have been Massa's podium in Canada. Heikki seemed like to drive like Nelson Piquet Jr, he was nowhere to be found ... Unable to pass Vettel in STR !! If Massa and Heikki were much better off yesterday then they could have caught Nick but definitely not Robert. Kubica was in a different league and he could have been challenged only by Lewis or Raikkonen.

I agree ..was just looking @ lap times [url2]http://www.fia.com/canadagp/documents/C ... alysis.pdf[/url2] ..its difficult to say anything! Massa clearly is lapping comfortably in 1.18.3s under clear track but Kubica had enough pace to defend!
After doing some excel work ..Kubica has 45 laps are quicker than Massa ..while Massa has 25 Lap quick lap over Kubica.Kubicas IN laps were awesome ..before coming in pits for second time he almost gain 10+ sec in 5 lap over massa.

For first stint fuel load is reflected in average lap times :lol both Ferraris are slow than Kubica & Hamilton.

2. How come all the newbies suffered in this track, but the old hogs like David, Trulli & Barrichello seemed to work well for them ? Though Alonso din finish the race, he seemed very comfortable when taking the 4th position during qualifying ? So am i free to assume that the previous track knowledge greatly helps here ? Seems true to me .. Alonso, Rosberg, Hamilton, Kimi all put up good laps to take top spots on the grid .. But Massa & Heikki couldn't do anything about that !

It wasn't about Drivers it was more about car & setup.We saw Ferraris doing green s1 & s2 ...losing more than .3sec in s3.

3. The strange accidents like Webber losing control at turn 3 / 4 & Alonso in the race also lost control there, was it actually due to absence of traction control or the track was breaking up there ?

That part of track is very slippery one reason can be acceleration point ... as stated b4 alonso had gearbox problem! and probably weber was try too hard osweat:

New gearbox for Force India is pure development failure!!!
does any1 else notice Sutils feminine running style! LOL

[WDC]

the tack breaking up was a bit of an issue, sure it might be a temporary track but still... does anyone know if they allow heavy vehicles on the track when it is not being used? here in melbourne certain vehicles are not allowed on the race track streets, only standard sized cars, motorbikes and cyclists... ect. nothing too heavy to prevent it from damaging the surface of the track.
also, i have a feeling experience plays a huge part in dealing with the track, thats probably why the 'newbies' dont often go so well in canada!

i havnt been around for the hamiltn/kimi collision but i still cant get my headaround it... i know it would sound bias coming from me but (im about to watch the footage again) from memory hamilton was heading for kubica the locked up and turned his wheel in kimis direction... didnt he? i not sayin he purposely wanted to crash but it seemed very much like a 'oh well i may as wel make the most of it' situation... ill leave it there since im sure the last 20 pages of this thread probably went on about it.
lewis deserved the penalty though!

im really happy to see the BMWs win! well done... kubica is a real chance for the title now for sure, although its hard to say, it would be good to see how he races when both kimi and lewis are on track too.

anyway... cheers!

[donald29]

hmmmm remember what Lewis said about his Dad crashing during the week...

[HamiltonF1]

Your sad really sad....

Anyway great win by Kubica he deffo deserved it and super 1-2 by bmw. Nice to see Coulthard on the podium again and Glock scoring his first points.